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    (Original post by presidential_)

    individual prayers are read silently.

    Then yea it's just a case of some people who are dicks. We know this though, I'm a white, middle class atheist and I get abuse on the street sometimes. I'm sure in general ethnic minorities get it more but I would suggest it's largely the same people. There are a lot of snobby racist still who dislike and hold archaic beliefs about ethnic minorities but tend to keep it to themselves and ***** behind people's backs.
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    Remind me again why Islam, and Islam alone needs to be shown more respect in Britain? Somebody preaching on the bus would probably be treated with ridicule too, likewise with somebody meditating on the bus.

    It isn't appropriate to pray like that on a bus. If I started randomly rolling around the bus floor, or doing star jumps or whatever, people would also laugh at me (or look at me weirdly depending on the type of people in the bus) it has nothing to do with tolerance or respect, its just common sense that when you are on a bus, you are expected to sit or stand peacefully until you get off. It isn't supposed to be a place where you can start meditating, praying or doing anything that will attract attention.
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    (Original post by CryptoidAlien)
    I was on the bus today and this Muslim guy was praying and quite a lot of people were laughing at him, looking at him like he was crazy. I then overheard one guy say 'this isn't a mosque' but got off at that stop so don't know if there was an argument or fight. Is Islam shown enough respect in society, if any? I kind of understnad terrorism now.
    I feel like if anyone of any religion did that, they would get the same reaction.
    So I think generally people need to show more respect for others no matter what they are doing or what they believe in (as long as its not harming others of course) and its not just with religion, my dad for example has some problems with his health which causes him to do things differently such as breathing or sneezing differently which isn't that bad and really isn't affecting anyone but still I see people in this country laugh and stare and make fun, they probably think they are being discrete and their actions aren't hurting anyone but they're wrong.
    I just wish people had more self control for their actions and sympathy for others.
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    (Original post by Amphiprion)
    Then yea it's just a case of some people who are dicks. We know this though, I'm a white, middle class atheist and I get abuse on the street sometimes. I'm sure in general ethnic minorities get it more but I would suggest it's largely the same people. There are a lot of snobby racist still who dislike and hold archaic beliefs about ethnic minorities but tend to keep it to themselves and ***** behind people's backs.

    yhh haha, its nothing new. bus rides are quite boring, so they were probably trying to find some type of entertainment. there will always be ignorants in society, we can't really do much about it though.
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    To be fair, praying isn't harming any person, so the crown should have left the guy alone to do what he is doing in peace
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    Do muslims show respect to non muslims?! HELL NO.
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    lol, reminds me of this...

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    (Original post by presidential_)
    lol, reminds me of this...

    loooooooool. Who can pray the loudest
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    Respect is earned, not given.
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    The story doesn't sound plausible because:

    a) what person would find enough space to get down on their knees on a busy, moving bus without violating the personal space of others?
    b) surely the person doing the praying would have realised that had the bus gone round a corner, he would no longer be facing Mecca?
    c) unless the journey was on a long distance coach, he could have done it far more easily before or after the journey taking place.
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    (Original post by Bill_Gates)
    Do muslims show respect to non muslims?! HELL NO.
    This. A lot of them just have no consideration for other people.


    Also the fact that Muslims don't actively try to stop extremists in their own communities. Atleast in America people actually show up to protest against West Boro Baptist Church.
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    (Original post by presidential_)
    lol, reminds me of this...

    In the context of the video, how can the Christians be call ignorant? If you're gonna walk in front of an assembly of Christians and then pray like a muslim, you're probably looking for trouble. They're all young and he's old and alone, so in conversation it's hard for the Christians to look good, even though the muslim was in the wrong.
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    If the man was praying on the bus, as a muslim I would assume he would have done it sitting down silently, if you dont pay too much attention to him you probably wouldnt have even noticed he was praying, I dont see anything wrong with what he did.
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    (Original post by Skip_Snip)
    In the context of the video, how can the Christians be call ignorant? If you're gonna walk in front of an assembly of Christians and then pray like a muslim, you're probably looking for trouble. They're all young and he's old and alone, so in conversation it's hard for the Christians to look good, even though the muslim was in the wrong.
    i didn't make the video, so I'm not responsible . you can watch the full vid on youtube and you can see the christians approach the muslim. i didn't post it because the video is too long.
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    It should be shown as much respect as any other hobby.

    It is a choice, you aren't born religious.
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    How do you think the non muslims in Iraq feel right now?

    Islam showing its peaceful ways :rolleyes: Muslims have every right in this country as any other citizen, you cant say the same about "muslim" countries stable or unstable.
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    Islam, like any religion, deserves as much respect as a piece of gum on the bottom of a shoe.

    Why should believing something without evidence (faith) be seen as something that deserves respect?
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    (Original post by EL704)
    If you're asking that question you need to simultaneously ask it for Christianity, Buddhism, Judaism, Sikhism.... et al...

    I have many muslim friends - who are aware I am Catholic - and have taught many students who were muslim, but none of them would pray on a bus.... seems a little strange. They must be very devout to feel the need to pray at the exact time they were on the bus, as muslims I know would wait as they believe God / Allah would understand that you know, buses are sometimes late and you may be a bit late getting to mosque. My students, all of them were so lovely, would politely ask if it was ok for them to pray - in my classroom, during breaks - of course I said yes, and that they didn't need to ask, but they did every time and I asked if they wanted me to leave out of respect and they were happy to continue with me marking and setting up the class.

    If he was praying to himself - aka murmuring the prayer - it would be seen culturally in the UK as a bit strange and out of place - we often associate prayer within a specific building or in private.

    However, I would indeed find it strange if he was full on praying, including the kneeling and bowing if it was in the aisle of the bus. If he was just saying his prayer - I can understand some people's apprehension, especially as the words of prayer have been misused by Extremists and Terrorists - which is an important distinction to make - where they use the words of Allah to suit their own agenda - you just have to watch something like 24 or Homeland to understand what I mean - there is a phrase from the prayer (I believe, unless I confused my student's meaning) that is chosen before they commit certain acts. As I said, the apprehension considering the previous experience of London buses in July and some Extremists and Terrorists - past events by idiots tarnish the reputations of good, honest, loving people who are as equally appalled by the actions of terrorists as we are.

    People will laugh and ridicule things they A: do not understand = ignorance B: Are afraid of (thank you media!) + don't understand = crowd mentality - this is what every extremist clings to whether they are Christian extremists - KKK, Muslim Extremists - Al Qaeda etc, it's the same mentality that was used to justify slavery, Nazi propaganda, apartheid -

    I had a student who was the kindest, loveliest and most generous woman I have ever met. She was always polite, friendly, courteous and CHOSE to learn English in order to help her children through school, communicate with other parents and to become part of society whilst her husband finished his master's degree.

    She came into the school one day, literally distraught, and told me how a man had pushed into her, yelled at her and spat in her direction and said bad words to her. He had shouted about her wearing her hijab and nikaab (headscarf and veil) - bearing in mind, this lady wore European clothes, not a burqa- and basically told her to 'bugger off home' for wearing a burqa.

    She hadn't understood why when she had done nothing wrong, why he was being disrespectful and my only answer was he was an uneducated idiot - may not have been wholly his fault, as he didn't understand - I also then explained how in the UK and many other countries - covering your face is seen as 'hiding something' as if you are a criminal and how people culturally associate not being able to see someone's face as untrustworthy - she was literally blown away.

    She explained to me how she covers her hair because it is in the Qu'ran and it is a sign of respect. She also insisted she chose to wear the nikaab in public, as she only shows her face to those she trusts, her family, friends and her teacher (me) because it was showing a part of emotions on her face, so it was showing her 'full self' - and I thought this was such a lovely way of explaining it. She also added she wears western clothes as she wanted to show she was willing to integrate, whilst still keeping her religion sacred, but showing she accepted and understood European culture too....

    Religion will always be a source of conflict, and there will always be extremists and people trying to scaremonger - whichever side they are on - and always will be people who are rude and disrespectful.

    All we can do is show respect to others and hope it passes on, sharing respect and cultures and just being nice to each other.... I literally knew nothing about muslim culture and customs, but it was so interesting to see - wait for the trolls! - similarities in my religion - in all religion, which is what extremists miss, of love and respect for one another....

    I just think the world would be so much nicer if people would listen to each other, share their differences and similarities and respect one another.... but maybe I'm just an idealist...
    Lovely post. Very touching ans thought provoking. I especially love the last paragraph.
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    Christians don't need to make a spectacle of themselves when they pray, all it takes is clasped hands and a lowered head. Most people probably wouldn't even notice.
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    I think praying on a bus is a bit dumb if he was on his knees/praying loudly.

    And Islam doesn't deserve anymore respect than it currently receives, since tolerance =/= respect.
 
 
 
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