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B709 - Nationalisation (Filling Stations) Bill 2014 Watch

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    I like beer. I remember the impact of pubs being separated from breweries and the number of pubs that are currently closing at an alarming rate.

    I am concerned that the separation of production from retailing and then again from top-up shopping will drive up prices, or that shops will be let to retailing such as betting shops, payday loans or other non-food retailing.
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    Absolutely not, if you're that concerned about fuel prices, cut the taxes on them, the reason fuel prices are high is all to do with tax and barely to do with profit. Besides, as it stands right now, fuel prices are lower in both cash terms and real terms than they have been for a very long time. I think I saw unleaded being sold for 124.9 the other day, it wasn't long ago that we were seeing 150.

    Still, I commend you for not taking the illegal forced-expropriation-of-the-water-companies-at-gunpoint approach of your comrades. (I will never forget about that :moon:)
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    No, No, no.

    Nationalisation is not the way forward, only the way back to the pre-Thatcher era of Trade Unionism.
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    Nationalise everything!!!!11!1

    Seriously though, the UK fuel market is quite responsive. This is not the answer, and is simply unjustifiably.

    The idea that nationalisation solves everything is pure fantasy
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    Aye. Not sure on buying a station, then "selling" it again because it is unnecessary as there are others in the vicinity. Maybe shut down? Or remove that sentence?

    Nationalisation isn't about re-privatising the nationalised utility! Unless, it is franchised, which could work!


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    (Original post by MacDaddi)

    The idea that nationalisation solves everything is pure fantasy
    technically it can, the debate is which industries can be run as workers co-operatives rather than directly by the state or local government, but generally speaking a nation will run far more efficiently if everything is to some extent run by the people of that nation, whether that means the state franchising things out to workers themselves or to local government which is accountable to people or having things run by the state which should again be accountable.

    I can not think of any industry that shouldn't be run by or for the people, society should run society.
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    (Original post by O133)
    Exactly that, it doesn't need to make a profit, so less income is needed, so fuel can be sold at a lower price.
    Lower price? If you want lower prices you should let TTIP do its job and remove barriers to trade with America. Nationalisation will just result in monopoly, unaccountability and inefficient allocation of resources.

    Also nationalisation is theft.
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    (Original post by DErasmus)
    Also nationalisation is theft.
    property is theft.
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    (Original post by Jean-Luc Picard)
    property is theft.
    No, no it isn't. If I pay for property I expect to keep it.
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    (Original post by DErasmus)
    No, no it isn't. If I pay for property I expect to keep it.
    what gives you the right to own any part of this earth? you may occupy the earth but it is not yours any more than it is mine or anyone else's.
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    (Original post by Jean-Luc Picard)
    what gives you the right to own any part of this earth? you may occupy the earth but it is not yours any more than it is mine or anyone else's.
    Well The Universal Declaration of Human Rights (Article 17) for one thing which is not legally binding (oh wait it is); but then you could look at the domestic legal system of any civilised nation. Rights are not given but taken, I have the right to own property because I exchanged something for it, just like everything I own.
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    (Original post by DErasmus)
    Well The Universal Declaration of Human Rights (Article 17) for one thing which is not legally binding (oh wait it is); but then you could look at the domestic legal system of any civilised nation. Rights are not given but taken, I have the right to own property because I exchanged something for it, just like everything I own.
    normally people who talk about property rights care very little for that document but okay. what gives anything value? what gives you any right to tell someone they cannot benefit from something? all rights are social.
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    (Original post by Jean-Luc Picard)
    normally people who talk about property rights care very little for that document but okay. what gives anything value? what gives you any right to tell someone they cannot benefit from something? all rights are social.
    Did you just say that all landowners tread all over the Declaration of Human rights?!

    Also why do you think you belong in the greens, not in the Socialists, considering that you are more left wing than some of the Socialists?


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    As i co-authored this bill with O133 i definitely agree.

    I think that nationalization is needed in some areas to reduce the cost for the people.

    This bill helps guarantee money for hydrogen fuel research.
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    (Original post by nebelbon)
    As i co-authored this bill with O133 i definitely agree.

    I think that nationalization is needed in some areas to reduce the cost for the people.

    This bill helps guarantee money for hydrogen fuel research.
    How will this lower the cost of my fuel bill when the retailers have a 5% profit margin.

    How is this a superior solution to cutting taxes.
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    (Original post by Jean-Luc Picard)
    technically it can, the debate is which industries can be run as workers co-operatives rather than directly by the state or local government, but generally speaking a nation will run far more efficiently if everything is to some extent run by the people of that nation, whether that means the state franchising things out to workers themselves or to local government which is accountable to people or having things run by the state which should again be accountable.

    I can not think of any industry that shouldn't be run by or for the people, society should run society.
    Firms and individuals supply services and goods operate within society? And industries aren't "run" by anyone (not in a healthy competitive industry anyway)
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    (Original post by Cryptographic)
    Did you just say that all landowners tread all over the Declaration of Human rights?!

    Also why do you think you belong in the greens, not in the Socialists, considering that you are more left wing than some of the Socialists?


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    I've said it before and I'm saying it again. Cut taxes to cut the cost of fuel. I'm surprise Nebelbon co-wrote this. He kept that one quiet and I think we need a VoNC against him for it. :lol:
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    I'm confused as to how filling stations being nationalised will bring down cost of fuel, the fuel is sold at the costs slightly above what it costs to get the end product in order for the pump to get a profit (a small one at that).

    Nationalise the oil companies, refineries and all involved in the process of turn crude to petrol but don't nationalise a filling station that's dependent on all other factors for price.

    A massive Nay based on the poorly thought out nature of this bill.
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    What is the motive? Better place fuel so everyone has access? Reduce the cost of fuel?

    I'm a big fan of nationalisation, but actually I think filling stations shouldn't apply, competition DOES exist in the filling station industry and I can't imagine British Fuels running them better.

    The only change I would make is to increase checks to measure the quality of the fuel, as supermarket fuel tends to cause more engine problems than others.

    Also, what about red diesel?
 
 
 
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