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    (Original post by laylarose)
    No. Why should having a penis entitle you to more?
    you misunderstand. An entitlement complex is the obstinate belief that you deserve something by virtue of your rank, birthright, status, gender etc. So in this case the notion that men believe they deserve something from women and society because they have a penis.

    I would argue that certain stuck-up attractive young people hold this, of both genders, although it's more prominent among young attractive women (see 'let me take a selfie') because of the way Western society puts them and sex on a pedestal. They grow up with what is elsewhere referred to as 'princess syndrome', the belief their life should be as easy as a Disney princess, they should never have to lift a finger to work a day in their life and they deserve no less than their very own customised Prince Charming. Absolutely idiotic pop-culture like Jersey Shore, Keeping up with the Kardashians, TOWIE and most of the UK Top 40 contribute to the princess syndrome. Of course this has existed since at least the early 20th century in what were then just thought of as spoiled brats after Hollywood dominated the world with its materialist ethos, but in the late 20th and 21st century has been exceedingly sexualised for the young market.

    The reason for why young women develop it? Because even attractive men are still socialised to believe that their status and success in life is created by their own blood sweat and tears; with some exceptions of the now mostly deceased aristocracy

    Where feminism in its truly egalitarian form to be successful, then we'd be left with the vast majority of women paving their own way and earning their own success in life, leaving the lazy and entitled girls behind them. But as long as we let the rules of chivalry dominate the princess syndrome will remain for many[/QUOTE]
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    (Original post by The_Internet)
    No. Just no.. I'll move this to..society in a bit



    Hey! :unimpressed:
    But TI do you not agree with this quote [add in a minute]

    (Original post by Smash Bandicoot)
    you misunderstand. An entitlement complex is the obstinate belief that you deserve something by virtue of your rank, birthright, status, gender etc. So in this case the notion that men believe they deserve something from women because they have a penis.

    I would argue that certain stuck-up attractive young people hold this, of both genders-although it's imo more prominent among young attractive women (see 'let me take a selfie') because of the way Western society puts them and sex on a pedestal. They grow up with what is elsewhere referred to as 'princess syndrome', the belief their life should be as easy as a Disney princess, they should never have to lift a finger to work a day in their life and they deserve no less than their very own customised Prince Charming.
    Absolutely idiotic pop-culture like Jersey Shore, Keeping up with the Kardashians, TOWIE and most of the UK Top 40 contribute to the princess syndrome. Of course this has existed since at least the early 20th century in what were then just thought of as spoiled brats after Hollywood dominated the world with its materialist ethos, but in the late 20th and 21st century has been exceedingly sexualised for the young market. Moreover it has gone from being the reserve of an alienated spoiled few elites to the bread and butter of a large portion of young people.

    The reason for why young women develop it? Because even attractive men are still socialised to believe that their status and success with women and in life is created by their own blood sweat and tears; with some exceptions of the now mostly deceased aristocracy. Whereas, even in the age of third wave feminism, the choice to be active or passive for an attractive young woman is a choice.

    Where feminism in its truly egalitarian form to be successful, then we'd be left with the vast majority of women paving their own way and earning their own success in life, leaving the lazy and entitled girls behind them. But as long as we let the rules of chivalry dominate the princess syndrome will remain for many
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    (Original post by Bcereus)
    Massive generalisation of epic proportions.

    Put 50% of the human race under one label and go crazy with it.

    Incredibly fallacious, astoundingly naive and impressively clueless.

    The media plays society like the Pied Piper, give people something to chew on every few years and let them go crazy with it.

    There is good and bad in the world, to suggest a whole gender is inherently one thing or another is absolute madness.
    edit my OP to reflect on the power of sweeping generalisations

    'In general, the entitlement complex is more prominent in attractive women than in attractive men or the majority of men
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    (Original post by TurboCretin)
    I don't think OP's suggesting that it should make guys feel entitled, but that it somehow that it does...
    Of course it shouldn't make us feel entitled, a user told me they think men believe they are though and that's why they dislike most men. [see also Robert Glover's Nice Guy]

    (Original post by Cremated_Spatula)
    I've seen more girls who feel entitled to treat other people like **** than men.

    But I wouldn't go around whining that all Women have an entitlement complex.
    It's just plain stupid.
    attack the generalisation, attack!

    See amended OP. You'd be surprised how much your meaning can get screwed up at 3am because of the limit on characters allowed in the title

    tl;dr 'attractive young women have more of an entitlement complex than attractive young men or me in general'. You seem to agree with this.

    (Original post by tupper_ware)
    Some men do, some men don't. If they do it's probably because their parents told them they deserve everything they could ever want and more, and didn't raise them nicely. So it's almost not their fault.
    and this doesn't happen to spoiled young women? [see princess syndrome]
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    (Original post by Smash Bandicoot)
    Of course it shouldn't make us feel entitled, a user told me they think men believe they are though and that's why they dislike most men. [see also Robert Glover's Nice Guy]



    attack the generalisation, attack!

    See amended OP. You'd be surprised how much your meaning can get screwed up at 3am because of the limit on characters allowed in the title

    tl;dr 'attractive young women have more of an entitlement complex than attractive young men or me in general'. You seem to agree with this.



    and this doesn't happen to spoiled young women? [see princess syndrome]
    Didn't say it didn't, I was just replying to the title of the thread.
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    (Original post by Kaiju)
    it manifests itself via self-loathing when they don't acquire such things because they believe they're owed it by their very existence
    inverse narcissism?

    (Original post by fudgecake22)
    Patriarchal society doesn't exist

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    you sure about that? What makes you say so?

    (Original post by Professor Purple)
    Generally speaking, men make more rational decisions than women.
    shots fired 2k15

    (Original post by Rooster523)
    It's called the patriarchy.
    so you agree there is a patriarchy oppressing women still, disagreeing with User fudge cake?
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    (Original post by Smash Bandicoot)
    Of course it shouldn't make us feel entitled, a user told me they think men believe they are though and that's why they dislike most men. [see also Robert Glover's Nice Guy]



    attack the generalisation, attack!

    See amended OP. You'd be surprised how much your meaning can get screwed up at 3am because of the limit on characters allowed in the title

    tl;dr 'attractive young women have more of an entitlement complex than attractive young men or me in general'. You seem to agree with this.



    and this doesn't happen to spoiled young women? [see princess syndrome]
    Tsk, double standards of feminist's and the like.

    I wasn't attacking you tho, like you say, women appear to have more of an entitlement complex than most men in wealthy western areas, generalising doesn't help tho, especially not when you have the responsibility of hundreds of mindless oafs... (as a movement *cough*)
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    (Original post by Kittiara)
    Yep, exactly. I have no doubt that some men have an entitlement problem and that some women deliberately seek out men with power and status, but I've personally only known one man sort of like that, and he was hung up on some really bad sci-fi novel series about men being masters and women being slaves. When someone can quote books like that as if they're a religious text you know there's something wrong with them... Everyone else I know and have known is just normal.
    OK, so either most men IRL hold no entitlement complex, or hide it well enough for you not to notice.

    How about the women? Did you observe any of them? Noticed anything explicitly entitled? How about something more subtle, say in relationship dynamics or conflict?
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    (Original post by laylarose)
    No. Why should having a penis entitle you to more?
    You might be entering a penis-having contest or something.
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    (Original post by Kaiju)
    it manifests itself via self-loathing when they don't acquire such things because they believe they're owed it by their very existence
    How so?

    I would of thought it stems from narcissism, only ever thinking inwardly and selfishly. Which appears to be a trait common with both genders.

    Hypothetically if there is a large queue for lunch, I would suspect the self-loathing person would be too shy and conscious of other people to barge in at the front, where as someone who is full of themselves, see themselves as more important than others & wouldn't hesitate.
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    (Original post by Cremated_Spatula)
    How so?

    I would of thought it stems from narcissism, only ever thinking inwardly and selfishly. Which appears to be a trait common with both genders.

    Hypothetically if there is a large queue for lunch, I would suspect the self-loathing person would be too shy and conscious of other people to barge in at the front, where as someone who is full of themselves, see themselves as more important than others & wouldn't hesitate.
    Inverse narcissism.

    When the belief that the world owes you everything is challenged, it's like your entire identity and autonomy as an individual has been crushed. Entitlement complex creates victim mentality
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    (Original post by Smash Bandicoot)
    Inverse narcissism.

    When the belief that the world owes you everything is challenged, it's like your entire identity and autonomy as an individual has been crushed. Entitlement complex creates victim mentality
    Thinking only ever about yourself.
    Doesn't matter if it's negative or positive.

    You can still passively hate yourself and be repulsed by your own actions without constantly thinking about yourself.

    I'm saying it's more about being consumed with your own selfish desires ect, than hating yourself.
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    (Original post by laylarose)
    No. Why should having a penis entitle you to more?
    Read it again.
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    (Original post by Cremated_Spatula)
    Thinking only ever about yourself.
    Doesn't matter if it's negative or positive.

    You can still passively hate yourself and be repulsed by your own actions without constantly thinking about yourself.

    I'm saying it's more about being consumed with your own selfish desires ect, than hating yourself.
    if narcissism and entitlement complex is present then self-loathing is a manipulative tactic to garner sympathy and therefore control over people, thus restoring any loss of power [cf. 'a man should never make a woman cry']
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    I think we all in concept have a entitlement complex, its just how much we let it control ourselves.
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    all I know is that men are driven by the pussypower.
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    (Original post by Smash Bandicoot)
    if narcissism and entitlement complex is present then self-loathing is a manipulative tactic to garner sympathy and therefore control over people, thus restoring any loss of power [cf. 'a man should never make a woman cry']
    That's just crocodile tears, surely?

    True self-loathing manifests in apathy and constant despair, that glazed "I don't give a **** anymore" look in their eyes.
    (Not that it's a competition.)

    Then again I'm not saying it is impossible for someone who is genuinely self-loathing to be narcissistic. I'm just saying it clearly isn't the cause of Entitlement.
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    (Original post by acefrogman)
    all I know is that men are driven by the pussypower.
    yes, see 'the pussy pedestal'. Only hetero movement I know to have successfully manoeuvred this social structure is MGTOW
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    (Original post by Cremated_Spatula)
    That's just crocodile tears, surely?

    True self-loathing manifests in apathy and constant despair, that glazed "I don't give a **** anymore" look in their eyes.
    (Not that it's a competition.)

    Then again I'm not saying it isn't impossible for someone who is genuinely self-loathing to be narcissistic. I'm just saying it clearly isn't the cause of Entitlement.
    yes, crocodile tears which isn't self-loathing because you resent the people barring your way to what you feel you are owed [entitlement]
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    (Original post by Smash Bandicoot)
    yes, crocodile tears which isn't self-loathing because you resent the people barring your way to what you feel you are owed [entitlement]
    I don't know about you, but I have never seen a man fake sadness in order to gain something...
 
 
 
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