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    (Original post by Andy98)
    Well one example that pops up from GCSE history was that Al-Qaeda wanted less western influence. That's fair enough isn't it? Yes there are other conditions not so reasonable, but a compromise could be struck.
    It depends what he means by Western influence. Soft power is very hard to control as it comes down to the individual in a country choosing if they like something or not. Hard power can be controlled but hard power is usually used in a reaction and not straight off the bat. I would accept the Western world sometimes criticises events happening in the Middle East, but having an opinion does not always equate to interfering.
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    (Original post by Nigel Farage MEP)
    It depends what he means by Western influence. Soft power is very hard to control as it comes down to the individual in a country choosing if they like something or not. Hard power can be controlled but hard power is usually used in a reaction and not straight off the bat. I would accept the Western world sometimes criticises events happening in the Middle East, but having an opinion does not always equate to interfering.
    Well no. But when it does we use a half-cocked scheme that doesn't actually help.

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    Nay- the terrorists aren't animals. They are people too, but they have just been educated incorrectly. Tolerance and education is the key, and by spreading intolerance (which you are doing) we are just going to create more and more terror. Yes, we need to end terrorism. Yes, the attacks in France were horrible and the men who committed the act are bad people. But we should not be tackling it through more force.

    Je suis Charlie.
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    Aye everything apart from your comment on tougher laws. These people are breaking laws my carrying out terrorist activities so adding tougher laws will do nothing to stop them. This is about enforcement of counter terrorism.
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    (Original post by GoldenEmblem277)
    Nay- the terrorists aren't animals. They are people too, but they have just been educated incorrectly. Tolerance and education is the key, and by spreading intolerance (which you are doing) we are just going to create more and more terror. Yes, we need to end terrorism. Yes, the attacks in France were horrible and the men who committed the act are bad people. But we should not be tackling it through more force.

    Je suis Charlie.
    Ditto this.
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    Aye to my right honorable friend.

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    No, they say the worst time to make laws is in response to a tragedy. Realistically the only way to help prevent this is to support more investigations into radicalisation. Of course, if we took a more pacifistic approach to military intervention then I suspect this would help. That said, tragic and barbaric.
    The Nigerians slaughtered by Boko Haram weren't enjoying their holidays in Iraq and Syria, they were in a country which doesn't do much at all in the Middle East.

    These vermin oppose our way of life, not just our foreign policy.

    This is Britain and if those barbarians attack us, we will crush them.

    As much as I believe in human rights, I find it very hard to believe they deserve to be treated as human.




    (Original post by Andy98)
    Well one example that pops up from GCSE history was that Al-Qaeda wanted less western influence. That's fair enough isn't it? Yes there are other conditions not so reasonable, but a compromise could be struck.

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    You want us to allow terrorists to dictate our foreign policy?
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    Aye to my right honorable friend.



    The Nigerians slaughtered by Boko Haram weren't enjoying their holidays in Iraq and Syria, they were in a country which doesn't do much at all in the Middle East.

    These vermin oppose our way of life, not just our foreign policy.

    This is Britain and if those barbarians attack us, we will crush them.

    As much as I believe in human rights, I find it very hard to believe they deserve to be treated as human.






    You want us to allow terrorists to dictate our foreign policy?
    Responding with violence is giving them what they want. Look at Vietnam and internment in Northern Ireland, viewing them as simply barbarians will simply create martyrs for their cause. Mistakes will inevitably be made as well, innocent people will likely suffer to a degree with our intervention anyway. Look at the Hebdo debate at the minute, every MP is calling for us to resist giving them what they want, headlines and further suspension of our liberties.
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    (Original post by That Bearded Man)
    Responding with violence is giving them what they want. Look at Vietnam and internment in Northern Ireland, viewing them as simply barbarians will simply create martyrs for their cause. Mistakes will inevitably be made as well, innocent people will likely suffer to a degree with our intervention anyway. Look at the Hebdo debate at the minute, every MP is calling for us to resist giving them what they want, headlines and further suspension of our liberties.
    Vietnam is a very bad analogue in this case. That was a case of two expansionist powers having proxy wars.

    NI is not a bad analogue but peace only came with power sharing. Muslims are already in the government, we can hardly have ISIS and Al Queda represented in the cabinet. All we can do domestically is keep the terrorists out or prevent attacks here.

    I can't say i care too much for martyrs, this is not a comparable power facing off. This is a small group of people who can be hunted down abroad. Casualties are already occurring but as regrettable as they are, the ends here justify the means though i don't see why we'd need to suspend our own liberties.

    MP's are politicians. They are kicking the can down the road because they either don't have a clue what to do or feel that what is required would not be stomached by the electorate.
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    (Original post by Rakas21)
    Vietnam is a very bad analogue in this case.
    I know right, I don't receive analogue anymore, digital only unfortunately...
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    hysterical nonsense from an idiot, sad that anyone is voting for this trash.
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    I would like to extend my heartfelt condolences to those affected in this tragic time. However I cannot support this reactionary motion. That Bearded Man is right to point out that the worst time to make laws is in response to a tragedy.
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    (Original post by Jean-Luc Picard)
    hysterical nonsense from an idiot, sad that anyone is voting for this trash.
    Thought you's left for good
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    (Original post by Rakas21)
    You want us to allow terrorists to dictate our foreign policy?
    No. I want us to be less ignorant so people don't resort to terrorism.

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    (Original post by tehFrance)
    Thought you's left for good
    It isn't an issue that a member of the green party is commenting on this motion?

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    (Original post by Andy98)
    No. I want us to be less ignorant so people don't resort to terrorism.

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    You sound like the type who actually thought Assad and the rebels would make peace on here.

    The world isn't this nice place whereby you leave them alone and they leave you alone, it's a world full of cultural imperialists who in this case would happily burn Britain to the ground if they could declare the ashes part of an Islamic state.
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    It isn't an issue that a member of the green party is commenting on this motion?

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    What?
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    (Original post by Birchington)
    Ditto this.
    Think this motion got lost in the faland changeover.
 
 
 
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