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    (Original post by SophieSmall)
    Belief takes faith in something there is no evidence for. I simply cannot believe in it because I have no faith. Just like I cannot believe in god, and believe me at one point I tried. But I have no faith.
    This evidence you speak, how is providing it? Can you not make up your own mind? You need someone else to tell you? Reality is only perception.
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    (Original post by NHM713)
    This evidence you speak, how is providing it? Can you not make up your own mind? You need someone else to tell you? Reality is only perception.
    What? No, no one told me what to believe. Judging by the way you talk I'm assuming your not a native English speaker, I apologise but you are difficult to understand.

    As for evidence, there is no evidence that is the point.
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    (Original post by SophieSmall)
    What? No, no one told me what to believe. Judging by the way you talk I'm assuming your not a native English speaker, I apologise but you are difficult to understand.

    As for evidence, there is no evidence that is the point.
    What I'm saying is, where do you expect to get your evidence from? It comes across as though you need 3rd person perspective to believe in it. I'm saying, can you not make up your own mind without it?
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    (Original post by NHM713)
    What I'm saying is, where do you expect to get your evidence from? It comes across as though you need 3rd person perspective to believe in it. I'm saying, can you not make up your own mind without it?
    Oh for god sakes. No. There is NO EVIDENCE that is the point. Evidence for things all around us, for example the evidence for gravity is an apple falling out of a tree. But there is no evidence for the supernatural and god and the likes.
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    (Original post by Farm_Ecology)
    I guess it's more that I would like to believe in the supernatural. Whenever I hear something new, I do hope that this one will be actual evidence of something supernatural.

    If I already believe in something, it's good to keep up to date with information and see if there are any new developments of failings. If I don't believe in something, I'm not convinced, and so all the more reason to research more. It's somewhat similar to how, despite being a socialist, I read a lot of right-wing news and articles.
    If your open to it, be open to it. You can't say there is no supernatural, no paranormal, no God, because you don't know. What about people that take psychedelics? what about there experiences, what do you think that they are? Animals and sonar system and all that stuff....
    There is more to this world than our senses allow else to perceive.
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    (Original post by SophieSmall)
    Oh for god sakes. No. There is NO EVIDENCE that is the point. Evidence for things all around us, for example the evidence for gravity is an apple falling out of a tree. But there is no evidence for the supernatural and god and the likes.
    Do you not think that there is more to this world than what we can sense, with our 5 senses. We can't see in the dark does it mean there is nothing there anymore?
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    (Original post by NHM713)
    Do you not think that there is more to this world than what we can sense, with our 5 senses. We can't see in the dark does it mean there is nothing there anymore?
    I stated in my first post that I believe there are things we do not understand, but I believe these things will be discovered and explained with science. Not fairies prancing around and pixie dust. As for you last post in response to farm-ecology I get the feeling you have in no way researched the science behind any of the things you mentioned

    (Original post by NHM713)
    If your open to it, be open to it. You can't say there is no supernatural, no paranormal, no God, because you don't know. What about people that take psychedelics? what about there experiences, what do you think that they are? Animals and sonar system and all that stuff....
    There is more to this world than our senses allow else to perceive.
    The effects of psychedelics and things such as animal sonar have been extensively researched and can be explained with science.
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    (Original post by NHM713)
    If your open to it, be open to it. You can't say there is no supernatural, no paranormal, no God, because you don't know.
    I can, and I do. I treat things like God in the same way I treat the position that London isn't the capital of England. I recognize that I could be dreaming, or that everyone lied to me, or that I am insane, but if someone asks me whether London is the capital of England I reply with "Yes".

    Depending on the paranormal phenomenon, I will treat it differently. There is quite possibly some element of truth within some, if not most supernatural events, but this depends on the event in question.

    (Original post by NHM713)
    What about people that take psychedelics? what about there experiences, what do you think that they are?
    We understand what happens to a person when they take psychedelics very well, and what people experience is perfectly explained by our current models. Why would I believe something that not only there is no evidence for, but directly contradicts what is already well established?

    (Original post by NHM713)
    Animals and sonar system and all that stuff....
    There is more to this world than our senses allow else to perceive.
    Animals with sonar? What?
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    (Original post by Farm_Ecology)


    Animals with sonar? What?
    some people refer to things such as echolocation as sonar. So like bats.
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    (Original post by SophieSmall)
    some people refer to things such as echolocation as sonar. So like bats.
    Sorry, I know what it is. I'm just not sure what that has to do with the supernatural.
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    (Original post by Farm_Ecology)
    Sorry, I know what it is. I'm just not sure what that has to do with the supernatural.
    She probably doesn't understand the science behind it and so has decided it is supernatural.
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    I don't believe in things such as dead people still roaming around as ghosts or most of that kind of thing. However, I certainly think there is more to the world than meets the eye. I know it is not really related but the more you think about things such as space and how huge this place is - other planets, universes etc. I just wonder what information we will have in 100 years time that we don't have now, I just think it is amazing.
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    (Original post by Farm_Ecology)
    We understand what happens to a person when they take psychedelics very well, and what people experience is perfectly explained by our current models. Why would I believe something that not only there is no evidence for, but directly contradicts what is already well established?

    Animals with sonar? What?

    Because you have a brain of your own. There is a huge difference between being told what something does and experiencing it for yourself. Just because it is established (and let me tell you what the definition of established is - having existed or done something for a long time and therefore recognized and generally accepted.) doesn't mean it's the absolute truth. It was once established that the world was flat, wasn't it?

    As for animals with sonar, we've heard of dolphins and bats right? Or has that not been established?
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    (Original post by NHM713)
    Because you have a brain of your own. There is a huge difference between being told what something does and experiencing it for yourself. Just because it is established (and let me tell you what the definition of established is - having existed or done something for a long time and therefore recognized and generally accepted.) doesn't mean it's the absolute truth.

    It doesn't, but there is no reason to completely disregard something just on the off-chance it might not be true.

    When you get up in the morning, and you have some breakfast. You want to make some toast, you're not going to sit there thinking "Well, I would like to use the toaster, but it might actually be a portal to another planet. Better make eggs instead.".

    As I said, if I have one theory that fits perfectly with all of the vast wealth available data, and another which directly contradicts said data, which am I going to support and which will I discount?

    (Original post by NHM713)
    It was once established that the world was flat, wasn't it?
    Actually, it wasn't.


    (Original post by NHM713)
    As for animals with sonar, we've heard of dolphins and bats right? Or has that not been established?
    What does that have to do with the supernatural though?
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    (Original post by Farm_Ecology)

    It doesn't, but there is no reason to completely disregard something just on the off-chance it might not be true.
    ...I swear this is my point.


    When you get up in the morning, and you have some breakfast. You want to make some toast, you're not going to sit there thinking "Well, I would like to use the toaster, but it might actually be a portal to another planet. Better make eggs instead."
    We are not talking about mundane habitual stuff though, we're talking about the paranormal.

    As I said, if I have one theory that fits perfectly with all of the vast wealth available data, and another which directly contradicts said data, which am I going to support and which will I discount?
    Well I would keep an open mind. Just because it doesn't fit in with everything else, doesn't mean it should be discredited. There is very little about this universe that we know.




    Actually, it wasn't.
    Well a lot of people believed it was so, and that's all it takes for something to be established.




    What does that have to do with the supernatural though?
    Because there are more sense than the 5 humans have.
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    It's not about what humans can sense. 80% of light in the universe we can't see, our hearing is pretty terrible as well but we have scientific instruments that can see and measure much more data than every species on the planet combined. It is possible that there are mediums or materials, energies and waves that we can't detect, the one that springs to mind for me is quantum entanglement... it doesn't get much stranger and "supernatural" than QE.

    Also if my sisters tantrums are anything to go by then I'd say that demons really are true.
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    (Original post by KeepYourChinUp)
    It's not about what humans can sense. 80% of light in the universe we can't see, our hearing is pretty terrible as well but we have scientific instruments that can see and measure much more data than every species on the planet combined. It is possible that there are mediums or materials, energies and waves that we can't detect, the one that springs to mind for me is quantum entanglement... it doesn't get much stranger and "supernatural" than QE.

    Also if my sisters tantrums are anything to go by then I'd say that demons really are true.
    Yeah, what ChinUp said.
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    No.

    Every little noise has an origin that is both logical and rooted in reality. Accepting the possibility leaves you open to being fooled.
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    (Original post by A5ko)
    No.

    Every little noise has an origin that is both logical and rooted in reality. Accepting the possibility leaves you open to being fooled.
    So does not being.
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    No I don't but I do read paranormal book find them interesting

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