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    This is why I don't argue with simpletons
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    (Original post by a320airbus97)
    I think that you are the one being funny: if the Greens were in power then taxes would go through the roof, the economy would collapse and we would be in an even worse position than we were in when Labour were in power. The facts are there: Left Wing politics simply doesn't work.
    Oh, and Right Wing Policies and Free Market Capitalism does?
    Newsflash! Free Market Capitalism does not work. It has been proven. In the 1950s and 60s, we didn't have Free Market Capitalism and the UK and USA's income increased 2-3% every year; Western Europe's income increased by 4-5% and Japan's income increased 8% and we haven't seen anything like that ever since! And, guess what? We had high taxes and high welfare and healthcare spending. You hear old people always saying: "The Good Old Days" and they were right! The people and Government ran the country back then rather than corporations and the wealthy. But Ronald Reagan and Margaret Thatcher brought Free Market Economics in.Fact: Right Wing Policies and Free Market Economics DOES NOT WORK!
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    his stance on encryption
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    (Original post by asmuse123)
    Oh, and Right Wing Policies and Free Market Capitalism does?
    Newsflash! Free Market Capitalism does not work. It has been proven. In the 1950s and 60s, we didn't have Free Market Capitalism and the UK and USA's income increased 2-3% every year; Western Europe's income increased by 4-5% and Japan's income increased 8% and we haven't seen anything like that ever since! And, guess what? We had high taxes and high welfare and healthcare spending. You hear old people always saying: "The Good Old Days" and they were right! The people and Government ran the country back then rather than corporations and the wealthy. But Ronald Reagan and Margaret Thatcher brought Free Market Economics in.Fact: Right Wing Policies and Free Market Economics DOES NOT WORK!
    I couldn't have said it any better myself. Unfortunately you are talking to zealot. He doesn't understand this weird concept which you are referring to as fact.
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    (Original post by asmuse123)
    Oh, and Right Wing Policies and Free Market Capitalism does?
    Newsflash! Free Market Capitalism does not work. It has been proven. In the 1950s and 60s, we didn't have Free Market Capitalism and the UK and USA's income increased 2-3% every year; Western Europe's income increased by 4-5% and Japan's income increased 8% and we haven't seen anything like that ever since! And, guess what? We had high taxes and high welfare and healthcare spending. You hear old people always saying: "The Good Old Days" and they were right! The people and Government ran the country back then rather than corporations and the wealthy. But Ronald Reagan and Margaret Thatcher brought Free Market Economics in.Fact: Right Wing Policies and Free Market Economics DOES NOT WORK!
    From 1951-1964 the Conservatives were in government, so the "good old days" were under Centre-Right leadership. Privatisation under the Thatcher government was one of the best things that has ever happen to this country. Yes, unemployment levels temporarily rose and GDP fell, but this was a price that had to be paid in order to secure the British economy. By the end of the 1980s, unemployment had fallen, and the British GDP increased by 5%each year: one of the highest in Europe at the time. Taxes fell, trade unions were given less power: Britain was in a stronger position. The British economy under Wilson and Callaghan saw one of the lowest growth rates in Europe, and inflation rocketed, even after the recession.
    Right Wing Politics do work: it's the Left that we need to be concerned about. The Left does not understand the concept of money: there is only a certain amount of money, and if you keep spending and borrowing, you're getting yourself into trouble.
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    (Original post by Swanbow)
    David Cameron is surprising me. He seems detached from the reality that his party has to move heaven and earth if they want a majority at the next election. This isn't like the 2005 election, where labour had to do little in order to get another 5 years in government. He didn't win a majority at the last election, and polls put him far off from even coming close to achieving that .He just doesn't have the drive nor influence he had during the run up to the last election. With wanting to reintroduce fox hunting, and him chickening out on these debates, he is going a long way to lose votes. If I was in charge of the Tories election campaign I'd be worried.
    I have a feeling he's nearing the end of his time as leader, and he's beginning to notice. Regardless of whether Labour, Labour/Lib, or Labour/SNP or even Conservative/Lib form the next government, the Conservatives tired of him, it's obvious (mainly because he's quite a neutral, non-passionate person who seems more and more like Clegg by the day).

    Unless the Conservatives win a majority he's going I think (and I suspect Boris Johnson might replace him). Even if they win, I still think they'll keep placing pressure on him.
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    When is the next bite the ballot debate? I'm only newly interested in politics since I've turned 18 and can't find the date to watch anywhere.
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    (Original post by jackhaugh)
    When is the next bite the ballot debate? I'm only newly interested in politics since I've turned 18 and can't find the date to watch anywhere.

    They've all happened (other than David Cameron's) but you can watch them here:

    http://bitetheballot.co.uk/leaders-live/
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    (Original post by She-Ra)
    They've all happened (other than David Cameron's) but you can watch them here:

    http://bitetheballot.co.uk/leaders-live/
    Oh right, I thought it was with all the party leaders at once. Thank you!
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    (Original post by a320airbus97)
    Who cares if he doesn't take part in the debate: the Conservatives are the only party that have REAL policies, and the British youth will realise that. A Conservative Britain is a Progressive Britain.
    You do understand what conservatism is right? :hmmmm2:
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    (Original post by a320airbus97)
    I am a firm believer of the phrase "you get out what you put in", and Socialism doesn't abide by this theory. Socialism is all about "give, give, give" until there is no money left. Then, they "borrow, borrow, borrow" and raise taxes: this doesn't help the working class. Many people are struggling as it is with taxes at their current rate. If these taxes are raised even further, then they will be unable to survive.

    Why should I have to give my hard earned money to the government so that a voluntarily unemployed person can live in a fully furnished house with a car? That is where Socialism is wrong.
    You only have to borrow if you won't take from the rich, as New Labour wouldn't, because they had to cosy up to capitalists like Murdoch. Just take from the rich and give to the poor. The poor do all the work, and suffer whenever the rich **** up - and yes that includes the unemployed. The rich have stolen their birthright from them by controlling the means of production, the least they can do is pay enough tax to support the people they've hurt. You begrudge an unemployed person a car

    (and by the way, Job centres now require you to go to interviews in a 90-MILE RADIUS)

    but you let the rich get away with fleecing you for so much money that not only do they have entire garages full of supercars, they actually can't manage to spend, or even invest, all their own money.

    So it languishes offshore in an untaxed account, doing no work and stealing value out of our economy that could otherwise be circulating among the poor and the small businesses they patronise.
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    (Original post by She-Ra)
    The prime minister pulled out of the only live debate #LeadersLive ahead of the General Election for young people (18-25) which is arranged by Bite the Ballot. All other main party leaders will be taking part.


    Subsequently students have taken to Twitter voicing their disappointment using the #WeWantMore hashtag.





    According to Your Vote only 24% (18-24) of young people say they're certain to vote - less than the number that vote in X-Factor.


    So with this in mind do you think that by the PM not engaging with young voters that:


    a) Will you take to the polling stations and vote to spite Cameron and make your voice heard.


    b) Will you become even more disengaged with politics and refuse to vote in the General Election 2015?


    You can also make your voice heard by signing the Change.org petition which is asking for Cameron to take part in the live debate
    He can afford it I think. If his party does not win, we won't get postgrad loans as they are the ones who proposed it and are running the trials this september.
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    I watched the Bite the Ballot debate with UKIP, the young people haven't a clue what they're talking about. They don't listen either to what Nigel has to say but just simply talk over him. On top of that where they got some of the facts from I don't know, clearly been listening or reading from biased sources.
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    i prefer left wing parties anyway, cameron can get lost
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    (Original post by She-Ra)

    According to Your Vote only 24% (18-24) of young people say they're certain to vote - less than the number that vote in X-Factor.

    They may as bend over and prepare to take it.
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    I think this could possibly have the effect of making people want to vote more to get rid of him. He's pulling out of a debate he clearly thinks he can't handle or isn't willing to face the questions he should have to answer about the promises he has broken.
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    (Original post by a320airbus97)
    Taxes are too high: if the NHS and education were privatised, and the welfare system changed, then the government would be able to lower taxes.
    It's at times like this that I miss the removal of neg rep.
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    To be honest if younger voters want to be taken more seriously they need to stop relying on politicians holding their hand. I agree that Cameron should not have pulled out of this and should engage with younger voters more but many young voters seem to just throw their toys out the pram overtime something doesn't go their way or they feel they aren't getting enough attention.
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    (Original post by Mequa)
    It's at times like this that I miss the removal of neg rep.
    Nah, as much as I disagree with the person you've quoted too I think they have a right to post their views without them being buried under a sea of red thus lumping them in with forum rule breakers.
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    People shouldn't get too uptight about debates and stuff, there are plenty of ways to engage with politics as a young person and see what the Prime Minister's views are on things, you only need to go on youtube and you can watch Prime Ministers Questions, he does interviews with the press and so on, every time he makes a speech his office upload it on the No.10 website.

    His job is to run the country and there's not much free time in his schedule bearing in mind the amount of crises that come up as well as having to give the country strategic direction so I would judge him on how he runs the country not whether he turns up to some debate or not.

    Sure Ed Miliband, Nigel Farage will turn up to things but they don't have "running the United Kingdom" in their job descriptions of their day jobs which is an important distinction.
 
 
 
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