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    (Original post by Natalierm2707)
    I've grown up in a pretty poor family my whole life, and times really are hard for us, without things like government help (my mum has a long term spinal injury so cannot work and my dad is not around) we wouldn't be able to live.

    I agree the rich shouldn't be punished for being rich, but as it has always been in history the poor are being punished for being poor all the time, and the cycle of poverty continues, many need help. And if taking an extra 1% tax from the rich would help then I think it's a good idea.

    Please don't hate I'm just trying to show people the other side to the story

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    My parents have been unemployed for most of my life and while i do think they've done some bad things in welfare (i consider IDS the worst secretary of state I've ever seen), they've done alright on most other issues. I did for a time consider jumping ship however as we've gotten closer to the election i've come to the conclusion that Atos and the Bedroom tax aside, i still agree with them a lot.

    Sure but my point is that we don't need that 1% tax because we can cut spending elsewhere. I don't know about you but with my parents being disabled they have many unemployed friends who have in front of me said they don't want a job or wouldn't get out of bed for x, how many of them were helped by throwing money at them as opposed to giving them a kick up the behind. We throw money at pensioners, plenty of whom are wealthy. We gave £12bn in foreign aid last year. We write blank cheques for the NHS at the same time as we provide gastric bands, gender change operations and see A&E full of drunks. The state right now spends far too much (and taxes us too much - your paying tax on your energy bills).

    So don't get me wrong, i don't think the Tories are perfect. But as somebody that is aspirational and sees no reason why i'll die poor, i don't dislike a lot of Tory policy.

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    You do realise that there isn't a conservative government, there is a coalition which prevents the them from doing anything. Don't think anyone will contest that Cameron is a useless prat, such as not allowing clegg to abolish the house of lords
    The Lords reform passed it's second reading with more Tories voting for than against. Had Labour have not rejected the timetable amendment (preventing a filibuster), then it would have passed.
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    Even though, I have a big hatred for socialists, or anything that utters green.

    I would vote Labour, as they have promised to stop the ridiculous educational reform which has been rejected and criticised in numerous manners.

    If the educational reform was removed, then of course without a doubt, I would vote conservatives.

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    (Original post by Natalierm2707)

    Please don't hate I'm just trying to show people the other side to the story


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    (Original post by missfats)
    Even though, I have a big hatred for socialists, or anything that utters green.

    I would vote Labour, as they have promised to stop the ridiculous educational reform which has been rejected and criticised in numerous manners.

    If the educational reform was removed, then of course without a doubt, I would vote conservatives.

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    Which bits of education reform do you dislike?
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    conservatives are the best party to run the country at the moment and have policies which include:

    english votes for english laws
    referendum on eu
    fairer strike policies
    reduce the welfare state

    ps iain duncan smith is trying to make work pay with his reforms and gove was going the right way with education but had to go due to his popularity
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    (Original post by Rakas21)
    Which bits of education reform do you dislike?
    Definitely AS LEVEL removal.


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    (Original post by Natalierm2707)
    I've grown up in a pretty poor family my whole life, and times really are hard for us, without things like government help (my mum has a long term spinal injury so cannot work and my dad is not around) we wouldn't be able to live.

    I agree the rich shouldn't be punished for being rich, but as it has always been in history the poor are being punished for being poor all the time, and the cycle of poverty continues, many need help. And if taking an extra 1% tax from the rich would help then I think it's a good idea.

    Please don't hate I'm just trying to show people the other side to the story


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    Nobody hates the poor.

    But may I sugeest you read up on the Laffer Curve. Higher tax rates doesn't always result in increased revenue.
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    Because the Tories are the party which closest resembles my views on the direction of how our economy should be run.
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    (Original post by Abdul-Karim)
    Because the Tories are the party which closest resembles my views on the direction of how our economy should be run.

    good boy.

    do you agree with their education reform?!
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    (Original post by missfats)
    good boy.

    do you agree with their education reform?!
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    It doesn't affect me.
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    (Original post by Abdul-Karim)
    It doesn't affect me.
    Just because it doesn't affect you, doesn't mean you shouldn't care.

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    (Original post by missfats)
    Just because it doesn't affect you, doesn't mean you shouldn't care.

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    Neo-liberalism. The reason why capitalism has boosted economic prosperity is the notion things should be decided based on incentives. The idea everyone should look out for themselves & essentially the survival of the fittest is one that resonates with my own ideals. If something doesn't affect me, I really don't care.. That's someone else's problem. Given my projections of how my future will turn out, the party that most favours my ideal economic environment is the conservatives.
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    (Original post by sdotd)
    conservatives are the best party to run the country at the moment and have policies which include:

    english votes for english laws
    referendum on eu
    fairer strike policies
    reduce the welfare state

    ps iain duncan smith is trying to make work pay with his reforms and gove was going the right way with education but had to go due to his popularity
    English votes for English Laws -- hmmm A bit more complicated than it seems at first glance. Mr Cameron, as usual, has made up a policy in the pub after work without thinking it through.

    Do any regions of Britain not just Scotland, but say London, which have rights over their own say transport policies, not have the right to vote on national policy? Which policies would the Scots not have the right to vote on? Lots of English decisions would have knock on effects for them.

    Perhaps we need more considered thought - perhaps we need more devolution to regions?

    Reduce the welfare state ? how? which bits? why? Again the slogan is not at all simple and clear as soon as you examine it.

    Do we want to restrict medical care to those who can afford to pay?
    What about pre natal services? Preventative medicine like MMR?
    Do we want to remove unemployment pay?
    Do we want to remove sick pay?
    Do we want to remove payments for children?
    Do we want to stop care for the elderly? disabled?

    Do we want to return to pre WW2 when you were basically on your own or reliant on charity or perhaps pre WW1 when the life expectancy was 35?

    Do we really want a return to the situation where my dying grandmother couldn't afford medical treatment for her sick children or for herself?

    There is, unfortunately, no correspondence between virtue, wealth, principles or value.

    That is why we need a Welfare State. This is why those who have much - the rich, have obligations to contribute to it.

    Now who was it that said --it is easier for a rich man to pass through the eye of a needle than for him to enter the Kingdom of Heaven.. .......?

    It doesn't seem as if many of the Christians in the Conservative party have read their bibles recently or are they just paying lip service but not believing at all?
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    (Original post by JordanL_)
    he thought it was appropriate for him to decide, by default, what people can and can't view, and if people disagree they have to 'opt-out'.
    Whereas labour (still the main other option) respect wholly civil liberties, consistently treating people as autonomous, private citizens and respecting reasonable limits to government action.
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    (Original post by pickup)
    English votes for English Laws -- hmmm A bit more complicated than it seems at first glance. Mr Cameron, as usual, has made up a policy in the pub after work without thinking it through.

    Do any regions of Britain not just Scotland, but say London, which have rights over their own say transport policies, not have the right to vote on national policy? Which policies would the Scots not have the right to vote on? Lots of English decisions would have knock on effects for them.

    Perhaps we need more considered thought - perhaps we need more devolution to regions?

    Reduce the welfare state ? how? which bits? why? Again the slogan is not at all simple and clear as soon as you examine it.

    Do we want to restrict medical care to those who can afford to pay?
    What about pre natal services? Preventative medicine like MMR?
    Do we want to remove unemployment pay?
    Do we want to remove sick pay?
    Do we want to remove payments for children?
    Do we want to stop care for the elderly? disabled?

    Do we want to return to pre WW2 when you were basically on your own or reliant on charity or perhaps pre WW1 when the life expectancy was 35?

    Do we really want a return to the situation where my dying grandmother couldn't afford medical treatment for her sick children or for herself?

    There is, unfortunately, no correspondence between virtue, wealth, principles or value.

    That is why we need a Welfare State. This is why those who have much - the rich, have obligations to contribute to it.

    Now who was it that said --it is easier for a rich man to pass through the eye of a needle than for him to enter the Kingdom of Heaven.. .......?

    It doesn't seem as if many of the Christians in the Conservative party have read their bibles recently or are they just paying lip service but not believing at all?

    no i still think scottish mps shouldnt be allowed to vote on english laws and i wont change that view

    i want to reduce benefits to people and make work pay and if it was up to me i would get rid of child tax as having children is a choice
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    (Original post by Abdul-Karim)
    Neo-liberalism. The reason why capitalism has boosted economic prosperity is the notion things should be decided based on incentives. The idea everyone should look out for themselves & essentially the survival of the fittest is one that resonates with my own ideals. If something doesn't affect me, I really don't care.. That's someone else's problem. Given my projections of how my future will turn out, the party that most favours my ideal economic environment is the conservatives.
    Well exactly.

    Many people have little imagination . If the problem has not touched them they can't believe it exists much less that it needs a solution. Perhaps they should read more ( A Christmas Carol?) or live more?

    Ah, what optimism - touching in its own way.

    Many young people know intellectually that people grow old.
    Emotionally, however, they often don't believe that it will affect them.

    Growing old being a mistake their parents and grandparents made. It isn't a mistake they'll make.
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    (Original post by JordanL_)
    They've made it blatantly obvious that they don't even live in the real world.

    Michael Gove forced his education reform on us against the advice of every academic and every teacher and every union in the country. It was an awful reform, going in the exact opposite direction of every European country with a successful education system. This silly old man wanted to go back to the dark ages and he dragged the whole country with him.

    David Cameron clearly knows absolutely nothing about technology but insists on forcing in legislation regarding it. He introduced his weird porn filter as an opt-out service. Not only did he fail to realize how easily such a filter could be circumvented, but he thought it was appropriate for him to decide, by default, what people can and can't view, and if people disagree they have to 'opt-out'. An opt-in service would be entirely reasonable.

    Now he plans to outlaw communication that the government can't read. Personally I have no problem with the government reading my communications, I'd have no problem with them having backdoor access to data, but this moron has shown that he's far too ignorant to make any decisions regarding technology, and he'll probably do far more harm than good when he forces through some ridiculous legislation opposed by anyone who knows anything.

    So I'm just genuinely curious: why do people still vote Conservative when they've shown that they're willing to ignore everyone and do whatever they want, however moronic and damaging it is?
    Conservatives :

    On course for lower taxes.
    On course for more jobs.
    On course for higher growth.
    On course for a truly national recovery.
    A long term economic plan, on course to prosperity.

    EU reform, lower EU budget, less EU migrants,
    we won't foot the 1.7 billion, we halved it,
    not only challenged the EU law, we changed it.

    As a collective, much more intelligent than Labour.
    Much better looking.
    Cameron much wittier than Red Ed.
    They are ruthless and get the job done, not people pleasers.
    Government is servant to you, not your master that holds your hand.

    Red Ed wants to the first Jewish prime minister, yet he is an atheist ? Next week he will tell us he's a Muslim.

    Red Ed told his party to ignore immigration when the public bring it up.

    There is a split in the Labour party. Between those who forget there is a deficit and those who deny it exists.

    Red Ed wants the house of commons to be 50% women in the name of equality.

    Conservatives believe in quality, not equality.

    We are a meritocracy, not a country that rewards self pity and charity cases.
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    (Original post by sdotd)
    no i still think scottish mps shouldnt be allowed to vote on english laws and i wont change that view

    i want to reduce benefits to people and make work pay and if it was up to me i would get rid of child tax as having children is a choice
    But the problem is which English laws? Lots of laws passed in the British Parliament do affect the Scots. We need much more discussion before we have thought it through.

    Do we stop Londoners voting on transport policy for the rest of Britain because they have their own set up which makes decisions for transport in London? No because it affects them. Would we stop the Scots voting on similar policies no because it affects them

    Deciding which laws the Scots can and cannot vote on is not going to be easy. This is why I agree with Mr Miliband that we need a proper consultation about it rather than just piling in and making a hash of it.

    Which benefits do you want to reduce? Unemployment benefit is already just 56 quid a week - how much further could you cut it?

    Would cutting it to 26 make work pay?

    Or is the problem most people have not that their unemployment pay is too much ( there are after all few jobs in many areas so they need a survival rate) but that pay is very low.

    Raising the minimum wage would help. There is a cost of living crisis. Rents are too high, house prices are too high, bills are too high.

    The Conservative policy has always been that if you throw people out of work 'it is a price worth paying' ie to drive down wages/ to reduce the state . And it is a price that the Conservatives will not, of course, pay themselves.

    It is also a stupid policy. People who are on unemployment benefit cannot look after themselves, are not contributing tax, have ill health, are not helping to bring down our deficit or debt ( we seem to have forgotten that now it has gone up so much under this Government).

    Much better to have an economic policy to invest and create jobs. Better for the people who get the jobs, for the country, for the debts.

    The Conservatives self delude when they say they are good on the economy - they are and have never been good except for themselves. This is the longest we've had to wait for a recovery, for a hundred years.

    The Labour Party left them with a growing economy and they soon stopped that with all their emphasis on cuts and an expensive reorganisation of the NHS.

    We need help for children because the country can't function without them.
    We will have no one to look after us , do all the jobs, etc. if we have no children. Having children is vitally necessary to any country.
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    tactical voting
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    (Original post by billydisco)
    Just for those who don't understand the term, Middle England means those people who actually work, don't act like total ***** occupying the police every saturday night and don't have illegitimate ******* offspring who repeat the cycle all over again....
    So 99% of England then.

    The Tories certainly do not work for 99% of England. You and I would be far richer if they did; instead, the 1% are richer.
 
 
 
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