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    (Original post by Friar Chris)
    Oh look, the tin foil privatisation brigade are out.

    It doesn't make a difference who provides the healthcare - private businesses or state-operated organisations. Ultimately the taxpayer still pays either way, for the same end-service to be delivered.

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    Are you stupid? The difference in paying in small manageable amounts via taxes is huge when compared to paying large up-front health care bills. :rolleyes:
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    (Original post by beyknowles)
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    Only opinions on the nhs nothing personal this is just a debate. I just want to see people's experience with NHS and their opinions what are the problems and things like that.
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    (Original post by Maria1812)
    I must admit it is a bit mean of mean to say such things about the NHS its just I keep having problems with my gp becaue when I call first thing in the morning they always say no appointments or book 2 weeks in advance I mean no one is going to knwo they will be ill 2 weeks before? Therefore I am annoyed as if people do not see the doctor right away if they have an infection then they could have it so severe if they wait for so long. I once had an ear infection I saw 4 NHS doctors in a month none of them cured it so when I went privately it was cured right away. I did have some good experience with them though I think their A&E service is amazing however I cannot say the some for the gp. But now the A&E is no so good as it used to be I think its because when GPs appointments take so long people use the A&E not for emergencies such and then they deal with things the gp should deal with not a&e. Therefore I sometimes go privately as when I had a blood test the results come back the same day while the NHS takes a while and you only know if it is good or bad you do not know the actual numbers so I do find it annoying. I find that the problem is the appointment time is too long then people use a&e inappropritely because if they wait too long for an appointment their illness could be more severe. My friends infection went into the bloodstream so she died of blood poisioning it may be that the appointment times are too long and this could be life or death if you wait too long.
    You know you can change your GP right... you can even search in your area on NHS choices and see & leave reviews.

    Sometimes, booking 2 weeks ahead of an appointment is appropriate for things like routine checks and medication reviews, a lot of gps do have on the day appointments if you ring early (though its often hard to get through) and all have emergency appointments (for non A&E emergencies obviously) and there are walk in centres dotted around that you can go to if you think you have a minor infection that will give antibiotics, and there's always out of hours if you need to see someone over the weekend, which you can get details of/redirected to if you call your GPs number when its closed.

    There really isn't any way to check whether a throat infection is viral or bacterial without delaying treatment, most of the time, painkillers and rest will help and the body will deal with the infection itself. To have developed into septisemia (blood infection as you put it) the patient would have had to have left it a while before seeing a doctor, and would be having a lot more symptoms than just a sore throat... the patient does have a responsibility to themselves for their own health and as I said, there is out of hours, walk in clinics that can be used and there's also the pharmacist you can go to for advice... when you look at it like that, there are a LOT of avenues other than GP and A&E you can go down for treatment

    If you're unhappy with any treatment you've had, the NHS DOES have a complaints procedure.

    The NHS is far from perfect, and it depends on where you are, but there are a lot of options for treatment that people forget about.
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    (Original post by Kabloomybuzz)
    You know you can change your GP right... you can even search in your area on NHS choices and see & leave reviews.

    Sometimes, booking 2 weeks ahead of an appointment is appropriate for things like routine checks and medication reviews, a lot of gps do have on the day appointments if you ring early (though its often hard to get through) and all have emergency appointments (for non A&E emergencies obviously) and there are walk in centres dotted around that you can go to if you think you have a minor infection that will give antibiotics, and there's always out of hours if you need to see someone over the weekend, which you can get details of/redirected to if you call your GPs number when its closed.

    There really isn't any way to check whether a throat infection is viral or bacterial without delaying treatment, most of the time, painkillers and rest will help and the body will deal with the infection itself. To have developed into septisemia (blood infection as you put it) the patient would have had to have left it a while before seeing a doctor, and would be having a lot more symptoms than just a sore throat... the patient does have a responsibility to themselves for their own health and as I said, there is out of hours, walk in clinics that can be used and there's also the pharmacist you can go to for advice... when you look at it like that, there are a LOT of avenues other than GP and A&E you can go down for treatment

    If you're unhappy with any treatment you've had, the NHS DOES have a complaints procedure.

    The NHS is far from perfect, and it depends on where you are, but there are a lot of options for treatment that people forget about.
    Thank you I might change my gp also thank you for being one of the only people who did not criticise my grammar or mocked me. Have a nice day
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    NHS troll? :grabs popcorn:

    This gon' be gurd
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    How many deaths were caused because of the NHS and poor diagnosis?

    How many people have survived because of the NHS?

    Get my point? Its free and world class. We should take for granted we have to wait hours than pay £60 or whatever just to get a check up if it wasnt free.

    I bet youre foreign too? Many foreign people come to UK just to critisise NHS even though some are here purely to use it and get benefits.
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    (Original post by Smash Bandicoot)
    NHS troll? :grabs popcorn:

    This gon' be gurd
    Yeah, such a troll thread, but i reply serious non the less
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    Is it anyone wonder it's in a shambles when nurses are so abysmally paid and overworked, and every staff member has 7 different managers.

    That said, you would be lost without the NHS.
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    (Original post by Maria1812)
    Hello I hate NHS as some people are sick and they cure people on paracetamol my friend has a sore throat they did not see whether it is virsus or bacteria and he has a blood infection and the same thing happened to my other firend but she died because of this not survived I hate the NHS it should be abolished you wait for appointments late the doctors are useless I do not care if it is free as many doctors are bad I prefer to got to private then be neglected and die I hate NHS they are bad at diagnoising cancer snad other things.
    I won't disagree with your point here, the NHS let a lot of people die every year due to misdiagnosis or due to them being busy treating people who are not actually all that ill.
    But let me put this forward to you. Have you ever broken a bone before? even if you haven't it happens to people around the UK almost hundreds of times a day. In America getting a bone reset and put in a cast would cost more than what most people in the UK could pay for it and due to this a lot of people in america die due to something as minor as a broken finger because they can't do anything about it.

    Also, the UK has one of the longest average life spans for a country in the world as the NHS will treat the elderly, yes, that's your grandparents, parents, your self when you are older and all of the people you love in this country. But if you would prefer they can just let them sit at home not being able to move due to a bad knee till they die alone and there last thoughts being of extreme pain? but that is up to you.

    If you think the NHS is bad, please, go to any other country without a National Health Service and have a look around.

    Saying something like this just because a friend died is disgusting, all I can take from this is that because your friend died due to one doctor messing up, you think thousands of others should die every year as well and the elderly should die alone and in pain and that children of poor families that get ill while they are growing up should have their life cut short because ONE PERSON DIED. You are a horrible person.

    The NHS should not be abolished, it should be supported even more to help prevent that kinda of issue happening again, but please, stop using it, because it is not fair for someone else get left out because of you.
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    Why go to see a doctor when you have a sore throat? That's just burdening the system.
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    My experience of the NHS has been generally great.

    I've always been able to get a same day doctors appointment and they're always helpful. Admittedly a few years ago my old PCT wouldn't let me have a tonsillectomy, but that changed when I moved to a new PCT. Referrals have always been great too.

    I'm not sure why you'd go to see the doctor about a sore throat until it's been around for a few weeks? They usually go away by themselves in a few days. Trips to the doctors for the reason described in OP is the reason that the NHS starts to get clogged up.

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    I think most people's view of the NHS is ultimately affected by GPs who, for the most part, are actual scumbags. Most surgeries are run as a business and GP's will do as much as they can to make money. So, they don't refer to a specialist unless it's absolutely necessary and sometimes this will have a detrimental effect on the patients health - all to save a bit of money. They won't prescribe certain medications because it'll cost them money. They do stupid things like charge £2 for a printed sheet of paper that you should be entitled to for free.

    Once you're actually in a hospital, under the care of consultants and such it's actually a very very premium "free" healthcare system. You're generally looked after well and have the best equiptment at hand to be treated with.

    Obviously a free healthcare system will have it's flaws, which is why the option to go private is available. I feel that the NHS is very very under appreciated by a lot of people, and probably because of ignorance.

    The £8.05 that you pay for a prescription item at the pharmacy for example is just a tax, the actual medications cost a lot more, sometimes the prices go into the £100s and yet you pay only £8.05.

    Try going private and get charged like, £60 for the consultation and then go to the pharmacy and pay £50ish on the medication that they've prescribed to you. :rollseyes:
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    (Original post by Maria1812)
    I must admit it is a bit mean of mean to say such things about the NHS its just I keep having problems with my gp becaue when I call first thing in the morning they always say no appointments or book 2 weeks in advance I mean no one is going to knwo they will be ill 2 weeks before? Therefore I am annoyed as if people do not see the doctor right away if they have an infection then they could have it so severe if they wait for so long. I once had an ear infection I saw 4 NHS doctors in a month none of them cured it so when I went privately it was cured right away. I did have some good experience with them though I think their A&E service is amazing however I cannot say the some for the gp. But now the A&E is no so good as it used to be I think its because when GPs appointments take so long people use the A&E not for emergencies such and then they deal with things the gp should deal with not a&e. Therefore I sometimes go privately as when I had a blood test the results come back the same day while the NHS takes a while and you only know if it is good or bad you do not know the actual numbers so I do find it annoying. I find that the problem is the appointment time is too long then people use a&e inappropritely because if they wait too long for an appointment their illness could be more severe. My friends infection went into the bloodstream so she died of blood poisioning it may be that the appointment times are too long and this could be life or death if you wait too long.
    That's a problem with your GP not the NHS. Either switch GPs or go to a walk in clinic, it isn't rocket science.

    You clearly have enough money to go private - if you don't like the NHs don't use it, it'll free some space up for the rest of us.

    You don't need to see a GP for a minor infection anyway, the body can often clear them on it's own. Over use of antibiotics causes antibiotic resistance.
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    (Original post by redferry)
    That's a problem with your GP not the NHS. Either switch GPs or go to a walk in clinic, it isn't rocket science.

    You clearly have enough money to go private - if you don't like the NHs don't use it, it'll free some space up for the rest of us.

    You don't need to see a GP for a minor infection anyway, the body can often clear them on it's own. Over use of antibiotics causes antibiotic resistance.
    Thank you. Was going to add this to my post above. It's actually predicted that a lot of the existing anti biotics won't be as affective in some years from now, and they're struggling to develop newer ones.

    Also, a lot of people go to the A&E for things that don't need urgent attention. Some go for stuff that's completely unnecessary, such as being drunk out of their heads that puts their life in danger , in which case they need to be seen before say, a five year old girl with a broken hand.

    A lot of people feel like the NHS owes them something, when it doesn't.
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    (Original post by Borgia)
    How much did you pay? How much would you have to otherwise pay?
    I didn't have to pay for anything because nothing was done. I would rather pay and have outcomes instead of us wasting each others time. I wasted the doctors time and she wasted mine. This has been going on for 18 years and I have still to get a conclusion. It gets a bit annoying after a while.

    Oh and I do pay, I pay through the tax I pay with my job.
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    (Original post by Kabloomybuzz)
    If you're unhappy with any treatment you've had, the NHS DOES have a complaints procedure.
    It's rubbish though.

    I complained last year and because by the time my complaint was received, I had a referral, (I had to see nearly every GP in the surgery first) nothing was done.

    I was tempted to complain about the doctor who has somehow decided that I'm clearly faking the serious illness I have, because the MRI scan I had in January last year is normal for me. Given their response last year, I'm not even going to bother.

    All they need to do is a) take me seriously and realise that what I have is a pretty serious medical condition and b) give me a simple but painful test and then they will realise that I'm not lying. Although, why they think I'd want to be on anti convulsants anyway with some pretty ****ty side effects, I really don't know.

    I do believe my parents complained a few years ago over the lack of treatment my dad received whilst in hospital and got nowhere.
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    (Original post by Antifazian)
    Are you stupid? The difference in paying in small manageable amounts via taxes is huge when compared to paying large up-front health care bills. :rolleyes:
    Are you stupid? The whole point of having various services provided by external contractors is to have the same system - paying small amounts via taxes. There is not and will never be any healthcare bills to be paid directly by the patient to 3rd party contractors, it just doesn't happen.

    The only difference is on whether those taxes are used to establish governmental organisations to provide a service (which historically have been very wasteful and provided just as poor standard of service to boot) or a third-party provider who has an incentive to both make it as cheap as possible (i.e. SAVING MONEY FOR THE TAXPAYER) and also to provide a good service - otherwise the NHS will contract a different company to provide that service.

    Where along the line did you dream up that having services provided by non-state contractors suddenly meant that the NHS was abolished and we're 'paying large up-front health care bills'? That's right, you totally assumed that based on party political propaganda, when the reality is that's it's just the same as before - small amounts via tax, and the entire scheme is trying to keep that amount small and manageable, instead of grossly inflating year on year to try and patch up a leaking pump.
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    (Original post by Friar Chris)
    Are you stupid? The whole point of having various services provided by external contractors is to have the same system - paying small amounts via taxes. There is not and will never be any healthcare bills to be paid directly by the patient to 3rd party contractors, it just doesn't happen.

    The only difference is on whether those taxes are used to establish governmental organisations to provide a service (which historically have been very wasteful and provided just as poor standard of service to boot) or a third-party provider who has an incentive to both make it as cheap as possible (i.e. SAVING MONEY FOR THE TAXPAYER) and also to provide a good service - otherwise the NHS will contract a different company to provide that service.

    Where along the line did you dream up that having services provided by non-state contractors suddenly meant that the NHS was abolished and we're 'paying large up-front health care bills'? That's right, you totally assumed that based on party political propaganda, when the reality is that's it's just the same as before - small amounts via tax, and the entire scheme is trying to keep that amount small and manageable, instead of grossly inflating year on year to try and patch up a leaking pump.
    You're talking to a political brick wall. Honestly.

    It doesn't matter that NHS commissioners are legally obliged to provide contracts to the cheapest offers — private or otherwise — and therefore it makes no difference to the taxpayer. It doesn't matter than privatisation CAN bring efficiency, and for less.

    They will still see our argument as being "tory" and therefore worth **** all.
 
 
 
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