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    (Original post by katinthehat)
    Dad jailed for giving dying daughter medicinal cannabis.
    It has not gone to trial yet, so he has not been jailed.

    (Original post by katinthehat)
    On top of the abhorrent decision to deny the two year old her only source of pain relief for her tiny cancer-ridden body
    She is in a specialist children's hospital. There is no evidence to say the hospital is denying this child pain relief. So that's made up.

    (Original post by katinthehat)
    they are now locking up the father so he can't see his daughter!
    They are not locking him up, it has not gone to trial yet. They have withdrawn his access rights for administering [ restricted medication / illegal drugs ] without authorisation or qualification.

    What is the correct dose of cannabis oil for a 2 year old? Do you know? Does anyone?

    (Original post by katinthehat)
    The parents are separated
    Given his behaviour, that's hardly surprising. What would you do about someone secretly administrating stuff to your 2 year old when they were already ill?

    (Original post by katinthehat)
    He's the only thing this little girl has.
    Apart from her mother, 10 year old sister, their fund-raising campaign, a specialist children's hospital and the medical profession.

    So that's no true.

    (Original post by katinthehat)
    She could die at any moment
    She's actually getting better at the moment, so that's not true.

    (Original post by katinthehat)
    instead of being by her side he will be in prison for an innocent way to try and help his daughter.
    He was secretly administering drugs to a 2 year old who is already ill and receiving medication. You have a strange definition of "innocent".

    (Original post by katinthehat)
    If you want to sign the petition you can find it here: [deleted]
    If you actually want to help the 2 year old, the mother's donation page is here: http://www.gofundme.com/jezanw
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    (Original post by Spetznaaz)
    Edit - just read your above post. Hmm, he was injecting her? wtf..
    Of course he wasn't, Simes just made it up to make it sound more sensational.
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    (Original post by Wade-)
    you can't pick and choose when to follow them.
    Yeah you can
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    Cannabis oil is a cure for cancer!
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    Legalise Cannabis. It's just the same as smoking tobacco. Tax it. Creates more jobs. BOOOOM
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    (Original post by Wade-)
    Laws are there for a reason, you can't pick and choose when to follow them. It's like saying that if you're poor then it's acceptable to steal things to give your kids a better life. How can you call the banning of certain drugs draconian? That's such an overused word, usually by people who don't know what it actually means. I accept it would be hard to watch your child suffering but laws are in place for a reason and there isn't a clause to say you can break it if it's hard for you to follow




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    It's really not though is it. Can you not see the difference between stealing off someone and giving someone a drug to help them feel better?

    I really can't be arsed to debate this, my drug debating days are long over, but there is no good reason for cannabis to be illegal in a medical sense (or recreational but that's a whole different issue).

    In fact, it isn't. One company, GW pharma, grows cannabis in the U.K which it then sells at a nice big mark up. Of course it's only legal when they put it into pill form and patent it.

    Even the governments own scientists believe cannabis should be legal for medical use, but oh no they must me wrong, because the law says so and as we all know, the law is always right and we should blindly accept any and all its teachings.
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    Utterly ridiculous. As is the fact medical marijuana is largely illegal in the States yet its perfectly fine for a US cult group to claim they need mushrooms to encounter their god. Let's bend over backwards make exceptions for anything religion/spiritual but if it's real life and could be controlled no way because that makes sense right?!
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    (Original post by Simes)
    It has not gone to trial yet, so he has not been jailed.

    She is in a specialist children's hospital. There is no evidence to say the hospital is denying this child pain relief. So that's made up.

    They are not locking him up, it has not gone to trial yet. They have withdrawn his access rights for administering [ restricted medication / illegal drugs ] without authorisation or qualification.

    What is the correct dose of cannabis oil for a 2 year old? Do you know? Does anyone?

    Given his behaviour, that's hardly surprising. What would you do about someone secretly administrating stuff to your 2 year old when they were already ill?

    Apart from her mother, 10 year old sister, their fund-raising campaign, a specialist children's hospital and the medical profession.

    So that's no true.

    She's actually getting better at the moment, so that's not true.

    He was secretly administering drugs to a 2 year old who is already ill and receiving medication. You have a strange definition of "innocent".

    If you actually want to help the 2 year old, the mother's donation page is here: http://www.gofundme.com/jezanw
    Ok, Mr Meticulous, he has the potential to be imprisoned. My bad. And if they are not allowing the child access to the cannabis oil, they are denying her pain relief, which is unacceptable. I'm not saying that there are not other ways that relieve her pain, but it actually looks as though the cannabis oil was the most effective for the child.

    Cannabis is not a dangerous drug. Who has cannabis hurt?

    Her father was trying to help her. Stage 4 cancer isn't relieved with a click of your fingers, otherwise millions of people would not suffer through it. He just tried a means which is slightly unconventional by societal standards, sure, but the 2-year-old actually benefited from the pain relief it gave? So who's to say she shouldn't have it?

    Oh yeah, because specialist units are always the best thing for the child aren't they...remember how they hounded those parents who took their child to a Spanish hospital because their treatments weren't effective?

    And oh right, you're definitely going to admit to using a drug that's illegal. The medication was not reliving her pain, which is why he used the cannabis. It doesn't take a genius to figure that the oil was close to a last resort.

    Anyway, as much as the child is the central issue, the issue of the cannabis legalization is also prevalent. So, not only free the father for trying to help his daughter, but free him because the fact that cannabis is illegal is ridiculous.
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    (Original post by Spetznaaz)
    It's really not though is it. Can you not see the difference between stealing off someone and giving someone a drug to help them feel better?

    I really can't be arsed to debate this, my drug debating days are long over, but there is no good reason for cannabis to be illegal in a medical sense (or recreational but that's a whole different issue).

    In fact, it isn't. One company, GW pharma, grows cannabis in the U.K which it then sells at a nice big mark up. Of course it's only legal when they put it into pill form and patent it.

    Even the governments own scientists believe cannabis should be legal for medical use, but oh no they must me wrong, because the law says so and as we all know, the law is always right and we should blindly accept any and all its teachings.
    It's breaking the law either way and if you stole a few hundred pounds or even a few thousand pounds from the Duke of Westminster I highly doubt he'd even notice.

    I'm not going to pretend I understand pharmaceuticals but the drug they sell with cannabis in is only a derivative, do not pretend they simply sell cannabis in tablet form.

    People who advocate the use of drugs always seem to start down the line that government scientists say it should be legal and make out as though there are no negatives but it's simply not the case. If the government legalised marijuana they would be able to tax it and essentially remove the black market, it would be worth millions in tax revenue so if there was no negatives attached why would they not legalise it?

    Like I said laws are in place for a reason, if you break them you know there are potentially consequences, you can't simply pick and choose when you think they should apply to you





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    (Original post by Wade-)
    It's breaking the law either way and if you stole a few hundred pounds or even a few thousand pounds from the Duke of Westminster I highly doubt he'd even notice.

    I'm not going to pretend I understand pharmaceuticals but the drug they sell with cannabis in is only a derivative, do not pretend they simply sell cannabis in tablet form.

    People who advocate the use of drugs always seem to start down the line that government scientists say it should be legal and make out as though there are no negatives but it's simply not the case. If the government legalised marijuana they would be able to tax it and essentially remove the black market, it would be worth millions in tax revenue so if there was no negatives attached why would they not legalise it?

    Like I said laws are in place for a reason, if you break them you know there are potentially consequences, you can't simply pick and choose when you think they should apply to you





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    No, it's not only a derivative.

    Where there is no victim, there is no crime. Many laws have been changed in the past and they will continue to change.

    It's a complex issue why cannabis remains illegal, and even if i spent the time to explain it, you wouldn't listen.

    Cannabis is far safer than say morphine, yet morphine is routinely used medically. Same goes for many many drugs. Keep believing what you want to believe. Let's just hope no one sinister ever get in power and makes a law to kill all blacks on sight.. after all, it's the law so it must be right.

    Edit - also bear in mind this exact situation would be legal in many American states (under state law).
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    (Original post by Spetznaaz)
    No, it's not only a derivative.

    Where there is no victim, there is no crime. Many laws have been changed in the past and they will continue to change.

    It's a complex issue why cannabis remains illegal, and even if i spent the time to explain it, you wouldn't listen.

    Cannabis is far safer than say morphine, yet morphine is routinely used medically. Same goes for many many drugs. Keep believing what you want to believe. Let's just hope no one sinister ever get in power and makes a law to kill all blacks on sight.. after all, it's the law so it must be right.

    Edit - also bear in mind this exact situation would be legal in many American states (under state law).
    Yes it is

    That's not true, drug possession is a crime. He also supplied and administered drugs to another person which is a crime with a clearly identifiable victim.

    I will happily listen unless it's some sort of conspiracy theory crap, even if it is id be interested to see how you try and explain.

    I didn't say all laws are correct at any point. Also to use your point illegal using drugs is victimless, killing black people isn't. Like I said in my last post if there was no danger from cannabis it would be legalised so it could be taxed.

    That makes it right? In most US states they execute people so I don't think they're the benchmark for fairness


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    Yes it is

    That's not true, drug possession is a crime. He also supplied and administered drugs to another person which is a crime with a clearly identifiable victim.

    I will happily listen unless it's some sort of conspiracy theory crap, even if it is id be interested to see how you try and explain.

    I didn't say all laws are correct at any point. Also to use your point illegal using drugs is victimless, killing black people isn't. Like I said in my last post if there was no danger from cannabis it would be legalised so it could be taxed.

    That makes it right? In most US states they execute people so I don't think they're the benchmark for fairness


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    Lol, do some research about Cannabis, then come back to this thread.
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    (Original post by Wade-)
    Yes it is
    Sativex is a whole plant medicinal cannabis extract containing TetranabinexTM(tetrahydrocannabi nol or THC) and NabidiolexTM(cannabidiol or CBD) as its principal components.

    It's pretty much exactly the same as the cannabis oil in this story only diluted in alcohol and administered by means of a spray.

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    I will happily listen unless it's some sort of conspiracy theory crap, even if it is id be interested to see how you try and explain.
    One of the main problems is probably the number of people like you out there.
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    (Original post by Wade-)

    That's not true, drug possession is a crime. He also supplied and administered drugs to another person which is a crime with a clearly identifiable victim.



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    Could be wrong here but I think the poster is arguaing about moral or ideals as opposed to criminality. Drug possesion is a crime in this country- but is the child a victim? Is administering a non-lethal drug to alleviate the pain of a terminal disease to improve quality of life a moral offence? can the child even be called a victim when the intent was to help and the drug was administered by a parent (the effective decision-maker for the child)?

    While sticking to arbirtrary laws is part of discussing legality and in the greater sense the morality of the issue, that's not to say the law is correct simply because it is the law.
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    Lol, do some research about Cannabis, then come back to this thread.
    I've done some:
    - Studies show that the mental functions of people who have smoked a lot of marijuana tend to be diminished. The THC in cannabis disrupts nerve cells in the brain affecting memory.
    - Cannabis is one of the few drugs which causes abnormal cell division which leads to severe hereditary defects. A pregnant woman who regularly smokes marijuana or hashish may give birth prematurely to an undersized, underweight baby. Over the last ten years, many children of marijuana users have been born with reduced initiative and lessened abilities to concentrate and pursue life goals. Studies also suggest that prenatal (before birth) use of the drug may result in birth defects, mental abnormalities and increased risk of leukemia in children.
    - Marijuana smoke contains 50% to 70% more cancer-causing substances than tobacco smoke. One major research study reported that a single cannabis joint could cause as much damage to the lungs as up to five regular cigarettes smoked one after another. Long-time joint smokers often suffer from bronchitis
    - The drug can affect more than your physical health. Studies in Australia in 2008 linked years of heavy marijuana use to brain abnormalities. This is backed up by earlier research on the long-term effects of marijuana, which indicate changes in the brain similar to those caused by long-term abuse of other major drugs. And a number of studies have shown a connection between continued marijuana use and psychosis

    I would guess all of the above is why it's illegal.


    (Original post by n00)
    Sativex is a whole plant medicinal cannabis extract containing TetranabinexTM(tetrahydrocannabi nol or THC) and NabidiolexTM(cannabidiol or CBD) as its principal components.

    It's pretty much exactly the same as the cannabis oil in this story only diluted in alcohol and administered by means of a spray.
    'Sativex is a whole plant medicinal cannabis extract' - that would imply it's more than just cannabis.

    (Original post by n00)
    One of the main problems is probably the number of people like you out there.
    And what exactly are people like me?


    (Original post by Jemner01)
    Could be wrong here but I think the poster is arguaing about moral or ideals as opposed to criminality. Drug possesion is a crime in this country- but is the child a victim? Is administering a non-lethal drug to alleviate the pain of a terminal disease to improve quality of life a moral offence? can the child even be called a victim when the intent was to help and the drug was administered by a parent (the effective decision-maker for the child)?

    While sticking to arbirtrary laws is part of discussing legality and in the greater sense the morality of the issue, that's not to say the law is correct simply because it is the law.
    Well his words were if there are no victims then it's not a crime, you can't speak about what's morally a crime as it refers to breaking the law. Well if you look above I listed negative side effects and on top of that I'd argue that administering treatment to your child when you have absolutely no medical expertise at all makes them a victim. Like I just said in that post at no point did I say because something is a law it is correct, I simply made the point that if there were no negative side effects then the big bad government would legalise it to milk it for tax




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    (Original post by Wade-)
    I've done some:
    - Studies show that the mental functions of people who have smoked a lot of marijuana tend to be diminished. The THC in cannabis disrupts nerve cells in the brain affecting memory.
    - Cannabis is one of the few drugs which causes abnormal cell division which leads to severe hereditary defects. A pregnant woman who regularly smokes marijuana or hashish may give birth prematurely to an undersized, underweight baby. Over the last ten years, many children of marijuana users have been born with reduced initiative and lessened abilities to concentrate and pursue life goals. Studies also suggest that prenatal (before birth) use of the drug may result in birth defects, mental abnormalities and increased risk of leukemia in children.
    - Marijuana smoke contains 50% to 70% more cancer-causing substances than tobacco smoke. One major research study reported that a single cannabis joint could cause as much damage to the lungs as up to five regular cigarettes smoked one after another. Long-time joint smokers often suffer from bronchitis
    - The drug can affect more than your physical health. Studies in Australia in 2008 linked years of heavy marijuana use to brain abnormalities. This is backed up by earlier research on the long-term effects of marijuana, which indicate changes in the brain similar to those caused by long-term abuse of other major drugs. And a number of studies have shown a connection between continued marijuana use and psychosis
    Church of Scientology, nice.

    (Original post by Wade-)
    'Sativex is a whole plant medicinal cannabis extract' - that would imply it's more than just cannabis.

    Sativex contains ethanol, propylene glycol and peppermint oil. The amount of alcohol in the maximum daily dose of Sativex for most people is about the same as one teaspoon of wine (less than 1/16th of a unit of alcohol). This is not sufficient to have any effect on most patients beyond a slight enhancement of the effect of alcoholic drinks.


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    And what exactly are people like me?
    The not particularly interested don't care about the facts type.
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    (Original post by n00)
    Church of Scientology, nice.
    No it was from a website called drug free world which is non profit organisation unlike Scientology.

    So it's not just cannabis, it has cannabis extract in with other stuff like I said.



    (Original post by n00)
    The not particularly interested don't care about the facts type.
    I care about facts but in science there are very little 'facts'. I also don't believe 'facts' made up by crack pot conspiracy theorists. The real people who are the problem are the kind of morons who believe things like 9/11 being set up by the government and the government ban drugs just because they're not very nice




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    (Original post by Wade-)
    No it was from a website called drug free world which is non profit organisation unlike Scientology.
    :rofl:
    Established and funded by the Church of Scientology, it's marketing for L. Ron Hubbard's theories of substance abuse treatment and addiction.
    http://www.scientology.org/faq/scien...ree-world.html


    (Original post by Wade-)
    So it's not just cannabis, it has cannabis extract in with other stuff like I said.
    So what is it you think the alcohol, glycerin and peppermint oil do?


    (Original post by Wade-)
    I care about facts but in science there are very little 'facts'. I also don't believe 'facts' made up by crack pot conspiracy theorists. The real people who are the problem are the kind of morons who believe things like 9/11 being set up by the government and the government ban drugs just because they're not very nice
    Rich coming from a scientologist. You don't have to be a tin foil hat wearing 9/11 conspiraloon to realise the government do not always have your best interests at heart.
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    (Original post by Wade-)
    I've done some:
    - Studies show that the mental functions of people who have smoked a lot of marijuana tend to be diminished. The THC in cannabis disrupts nerve cells in the brain affecting memory.
    - Cannabis is one of the few drugs which causes abnormal cell division which leads to severe hereditary defects. A pregnant woman who regularly smokes marijuana or hashish may give birth prematurely to an undersized, underweight baby. Over the last ten years, many children of marijuana users have been born with reduced initiative and lessened abilities to concentrate and pursue life goals. Studies also suggest that prenatal (before birth) use of the drug may result in birth defects, mental abnormalities and increased risk of leukemia in children.
    - Marijuana smoke contains 50% to 70% more cancer-causing substances than tobacco smoke. One major research study reported that a single cannabis joint could cause as much damage to the lungs as up to five regular cigarettes smoked one after another. Long-time joint smokers often suffer from bronchitis
    - The drug can affect more than your physical health. Studies in Australia in 2008 linked years of heavy marijuana use to brain abnormalities. This is backed up by earlier research on the long-term effects of marijuana, which indicate changes in the brain similar to those caused by long-term abuse of other major drugs. And a number of studies have shown a connection between continued marijuana use and psychosis

    I would guess all of the above is why it's illegal.




    'Sativex is a whole plant medicinal cannabis extract' - that would imply it's more than just cannabis.



    And what exactly are people like me?




    Well his words were if there are no victims then it's not a crime, you can't speak about what's morally a crime as it refers to breaking the law. Well if you look above I listed negative side effects and on top of that I'd argue that administering treatment to your child when you have absolutely no medical expertise at all makes them a victim. Like I just said in that post at no point did I say because something is a law it is correct, I simply made the point that if there were no negative side effects then the big bad government would legalise it to milk it for tax




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    Wow, so basically you pulled a bunch of bull**** research from some random anti drug website.

    Go and research cannabis. Read actual journal papers / articles.

    What i don't get about people like you, is you seriously think you are smarter and know more about drugs than an actual expert i.e Prof David Nutt who's field is neuropsychopharmacology. Cannabis is safer than many other legal drugs, this is a fact.

    Legalising cannabis would be political suicide. Anyway i'm done with this, i know your type - Read some propaganda / fear mongering websites and believe every word, follow the law blindly no matter how wrong it may be morally.

    You really are the worst kind of person - Telling others how they should live there lives because of YOUR (wrong) beliefs, believing the government actually gives two ****s about you.

    If cannabis is illegal for medicinal use (remember here we are discussing medicinal not recreational cannabis) in country A, but completely legal in country B - How does your logic justify that in one country no law was broken and the father was in the right and in another country he would be executed and that is also right because the law is the law bull****...
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    (Original post by n00)
    :rofl:
    Established and funded by the Church of Scientology, it's marketing for L. Ron Hubbard's theories of substance abuse treatment and addiction.
    http://www.scientology.org/faq/scien...ree-world.html




    So what is it you think the alcohol, glycerin and peppermint oil do?




    Rich coming from a scientologist. You don't have to be a tin foil hat wearing 9/11 conspiraloon to realise the government do not always have your best interests at heart.
    I'm not a scientologist at all, I obviously had realised that came from them. Most of those facts I listed are also backed up by talk to frank.

    Not much other then dilute the cannabis extract, I really don't understand why people who don't understand pharmaceuticals are debating, it's non-sensical.

    Wow quoting the daily mail, tsr's and left wing government sceptics favourite website. I understand they don't always have your best interest at heart but from the tax side of things they'd stand to make millions more by simply legalising drug that is 'harmless', it certainly seems in their best interest to do that

    (Original post by Spetznaaz)
    Wow, so basically you pulled a bunch of bull**** research from some random anti drug website.

    Go and research cannabis. Read actual journal papers / articles.

    What i don't get about people like you, is you seriously think you are smarter and know more about drugs than an actual expert i.e Prof David Nutt who's field is neuropsychopharmacology. Cannabis is safer than many other legal drugs, this is a fact.

    Legalising cannabis would be political suicide. Anyway i'm done with this, i know your type - Read some propaganda / fear mongering websites and believe every word, follow the law blindly no matter how wrong it may be morally.

    You really are the worst kind of person - Telling others how they should live there lives because of YOUR (wrong) beliefs, believing the government actually gives two ****s about you.

    If cannabis is illegal for medicinal use (remember here we are discussing medicinal not recreational cannabis) in country A, but completely legal in country B - How does your logic justify that in one country no law was broken and the father was in the right and in another country he would be executed and that is also right because the law is the law bull****...
    I don't need to, other website tell you the results of studies.

    You are talking about recreational use with this guy though; he isn't not a doctor or pharmacist so even though he administered for a medical purpose in the eyes of the law it's recreational and that applies to all drugs not just illegal ones.

    I don't think I'm smarter than people like that but do remember at points throughout history scientists have thought that it would be impossible fly into space and that meteorites didn't exist, hence why I said there are very few 'facts' in science it wasn't so long ago doctors thought smoking was good for you.

    You still haven't actually given any good reason as to why the government can't legalise cannabis, you've just made vague comments. I do not blindly follow the law, when I break the law (which is rarely) I accept that I'm doing so at my own risk and would not complain if I faced the consequences.

    I haven't told anyone how to live their life, I don't know where you keep getting these assumptions from. It must be hard being such a government sceptic but having to accept that you'll always have to live under them and that's probably why you're so riled up.

    You really veer off at the end, I don't think there are any countries where someone would be executed for taking drugs. The point I believe you're commenting on was where I said American law is not something we should base our law on because their legal system is so backwards that they still execute people, in some palaces they even still use firing squads


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