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    (Original post by missfats)
    I can't bear to see the communists win, I'd rather have the socialists in.... at least they understand the importance of the economy whereas greens are just obsessed in the environment to the extent, that they lack on other policies which are WAY more important.

    its quite funny how a user from Brighton was complaining how bad the recycling and environment is, when the greens are in charge.
    Yet they talk about how important the environment is then have one of the worst recycling rates in the UK... remind me again, why would they wanna control a whole country, if they can't do anything in their own area?

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    Didn't brighton have one of the worst recycling records not too long back?
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    (Original post by MatureStudent36)
    Didn't brighton have one of the worst recycling records not too long back?
    EXACTLY.

    So why hadn't it been improved?
    Greens should be working their butts off trying to show that they can bring change.... yet they can't even though Environment is properly the biggest issue of theirs. Whereas the Tories have better things to do.

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    (Original post by RFowler)
    The main problem I have with the Green party is that being environmentalist and left wing, it plays into the hands of the anti-environmentalists of the right who try to portray environmental issues as "lefty" issues. Though I suppose that's not really the Green party's fault.

    As for zero growth, infinite economic growth on a finite planet is not sustainable or possible long term in its current form. Maybe Green proposals aren't brilliant, but they have correctly identified quite a big problem that should not be brushed aside. Why should the environment always come in second to "economic growth", which is how it is at the moment?

    I actually find that the Green party's policy to give prisoners the vote and its frankly idiotic foreign and military policy (Lucas voted against air strikes on ISIS in Iraq) are far bigger problems for me.
    I agree with you on zero growth but why do you think air strikes on ISIS are a good thing? A beleaguered population which faces violence on daily basis don't want more bombs rained on their heads. A much better policy would be to support the Kurdish Peshmerga that are currently fighting ISIS and know the area and culture. We should send them supplies and weapons, we know they won't go terrorist because they're Anarchist and committed to women's rights etc. There are even International Brigades like in the Spanish Civil War for foreigners to join.
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    (Original post by Aph)
    The greens aren't commies. And communism is way better then thr fascist hitlerist right.

    Different people doing local and national stuff. E.g. my torie counsel hasn't been awful but the government has.

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    LOL.

    They have one area to improve.
    Big job isn't it... :lolwut:



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    (Original post by Aph)
    1) money isnt everything.
    2) no one society is better then another

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    1: it isn't, but it is very important.

    2: never lived in an Islamic caliphate have you?

    Secular liberal democracies are the best way to run a society thus far.
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    (Original post by MatureStudent36)
    Money is rather important. So is economic growth.

    Can you show me a country that has succeeded by having negative or neutral growth?
    Success in what?
    (Original post by missfats)
    LOL don't bother with him.

    He believes money doesn't do anything.
    People and happiness are the causes of economic growth. We wish

    he's the TSR king of communism.

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    No I didn't say people and happiness creates economic growth just that they are more important then money. And that money is a simple social construct which id out dated


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    (Original post by Falcatas)
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/poli...r-Britain.html

    Zero growth economy?
    Are they that unaware how economic growth has made everyone richer?
    It never ceases to amaze me how many people don't realise that infinite economic growth breaks the laws of physics. Zero growth is inevitable - it is literally impossible to carry on growing forever. The only sustainable society is a zero growth society. This isn't some green ideology, it's a basic fact. The article asserts that "Caroline Lucas and colleagues regard economic growth as incompatible with protecting the planet", implying it's their opinion. It isn't, it's a fact. You cannot live on a living planet with finite resources and expect growth to continue forever.

    The Green Party isn't crazy for saying this, they are literally the only party that appears to be accepting the basic natural laws that we can't change. Unfortunately, it is beyond the grasp of most people that infinite growth is impossible, hence articles like these which support parties with policies that aim to defeat the laws of physics.
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    (Original post by missfats)
    LOL.

    They have one area to improve.
    Big job isn't it... :lolwut:



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    Its true.

    Social reform takes time. And most people are happy with Lucas as MP.
    (Original post by Davij038)
    1: it isn't, but it is very important.

    2: never lived in an Islamic caliphate have you?

    Secular liberal democracies are the best way to run a society thus far.
    It doesn't have to be.

    By your standards you can say what you like but you cannot say its best for everyone



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    (Original post by Aph)
    Success in what?

    No I didn't say people and happiness creates economic growth just that they are more important then money. And that money is a simple social construct which id out dated


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    One way of measuring success is people walking.
    Economy's based on zero growth tend to result in civil unrest and peolle walking.
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    (Original post by MatureStudent36)
    One way of measuring success is people walking.
    Economy's based on zero growth tend to result in civil unrest and peolle walking.
    Look up as to why 0 growth is good.

    Or we could get rid of the economy all together

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    (Original post by MatureStudent36)
    One way of measuring success is people walking.
    Economy's based on zero growth tend to result in civil unrest and peolle walking.
    If we continue to promote growth for growth's sake we will cause an environmental catastrophe. Pretty sure that's a failure. The UK is already one of the richest countries in the world, how much more growth do you want?
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    (Original post by Aph)
    Look up as to why 0 growth is good.

    Or we could get rid of the economy all together

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    0% growth is bad.

    It stops people investing their money.

    No investment means no growth.
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    (Original post by Niassuh)
    I agree with you on zero growth but why do you think air strikes on ISIS are a good thing? A beleaguered population which faces violence on daily basis don't want more bombs rained on their heads. A much better policy would be to support the Kurdish Peshmerga that are currently fighting ISIS and know the area and culture. We should send them supplies and weapons, we know they won't go terrorist because they're Anarchist and committed to women's rights etc. There are even International Brigades like in the Spanish Civil War for foreigners to join.
    Air strikes on ISIS area good thing because it degrades their military strength. Our support for the Kurds includes weapons as well as air strikes, so we do air strikes and they do the fighting on the ground. And you can't negotiate with a group as extreme and brutal as ISIS.

    Air strikes have helped Kurds and Iraqi government troops recapture some territory and has helped refugees, like those Yazidis who were stranded on mount Sinjar. The beleaguered population facing violence on a daily basis benefits from air strikes, as it reduces ISIS' military strength and therefore its ability to commit mass murder.

    I do feel that Green party foreign policy is too anti-war to the point of being unrealistic, because they seem to oppose pretty much all military intervention no matter how strong the case for that intervention is. I'm not exactly a war hawk that screams for intervention everywhere, but sometimes military action is needed, and I don't think the Green party understands that very well. Not all problems can be solved with diplomacy alone.
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    (Original post by MatureStudent36)
    0% growth is bad.

    It stops people investing their money.

    No investment means no growth.
    There isn't the possibility for infinite growth in a finite world

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    (Original post by MatureStudent36)
    0% growth is bad.

    It stops people investing their money.

    No investment means no growth.
    And you intend to reverse the laws of nature how, exactly? Are you going to invent a mass fabricator?
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    (Original post by missfats)
    I can't bear to see the communists win, I'd rather have the socialists in.... at least they understand the importance of the economy whereas greens are just obsessed in the environment to the extent, that they lack on other policies which are WAY more important.

    its quite funny how a user from Brighton was complaining how bad the recycling and environment is, when the greens are in charge.
    Yet they talk about how important the environment is then have one of the worst recycling rates in the UK... remind me again, why would they wanna control a whole country, if they can't do anything in their own area?

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    The Green party controls a council which has had its budget cut by central government, they do not have the power to do whatever they want to because they have to work with what they've got. I think the Greens are in minority control of that council as well, which doesn't help things. You can't blame the Green party for everything that goes wrong in that council area.
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    (Original post by MatureStudent36)
    What? Killing the economy and making society go backwards in development.
    We must destroy the economy before it kills us
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    (Original post by missfats)
    I can't bear to see the communists win, I'd rather have the socialists in.... at least they understand the importance of the economy whereas greens are just obsessed in the environment to the extent, that they lack on other policies which are WAY more important.

    its quite funny how a user from Brighton was complaining how bad the recycling and environment is, when the greens are in charge.
    Yet they talk about how important the environment is then have one of the worst recycling rates in the UK... remind me again, why would they wanna control a whole country, if they can't do anything in their own area?

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    The Green party is not in charge in Brighton, the council is NOC. Greens are the majority party but they don't have a controlling share. It's fair to say Brighton council have not done a great job this term (or even a mediocre job), but that's not totally the Green party's fault.

    Also it's probably not best to judge candidates for parliament by their councillors. Just look at the amount of nutters and idiots UKIP has in council seats.
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    (Original post by demx9)
    We must destroy the economy before it kills us
    Yet you'll still be demanding somebody else pays for your benfits and free at source healthcare.

    Thanks for the offer, but no thanks. I understand the real world.
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    (Original post by Dez)
    The Green party is not in charge in Brighton, the council is NOC. Greens are the majority party but they don't have a controlling share. It's fair to say Brighton council have not done a great job this term (or even a mediocre job), but that's not totally the Green party's fault.

    Also it's probably not best to judge candidates for parliament by their councillors. Just look at the amount of nutters and idiots UKIP has in council seats.
    Who was it who raised the profile of the Green Party in Brighton before Lucas shafted him.
 
 
 
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