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    (Original post by earwithfeet)
    Religion over love?
    I thought religion was supposed to be love-centred.

    Anybody who thinks sexuality is a choice is just blatantly ignorant; it is illogical to believe that a person would choose to follow a disliked lifestyle just because they 'chose' to do so. Those feelings are internally imprinted in our makeup, it is uncontrollable and damaging if we try to repress it.

    Would be a lot nicer if people could learn to accept each other and understand that our sexuality is something we are incapable of changing; it is part of our existence and shouldn't be treated any differently.
    I think you're confusing brotherly love with romantic love.

    You cannot choose who you're attracted to, but you can choose whether or not to act on that attraction. Christianity does not condemn homosexual attraction or lust any more than it condemns heterosexual lust. In Christianity, any sexual activity outside of wedlock is sinful, and lust is sinful whether it is directed at someone of the same sex or of the opposite sex. In the mainstream Christian view, legitimate wedlock can only be between one man and one woman. Therefore any homosexual activity is sinful. You might not agree with this, but it appears to be what OP's ex-boyfriend believes. Regarding sexuality being unchangeable, speak for yourself. There are many Christians who were once homosexual or bisexual who became heterosexual.
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    (Original post by earwithfeet)
    Religion over love?
    I thought religion was supposed to be love-centred.

    Anybody who thinks sexuality is a choice is just blatantly ignorant; it is illogical to believe that a person would choose to follow a disliked lifestyle just because they 'chose' to do so. Those feelings are internally imprinted in our makeup, it is uncontrollable and damaging if we try to repress it.

    Would be a lot nicer if people could learn to accept each other and understand that our sexuality is something we are incapable of changing; it is part of our existence and shouldn't be treated any differently.
    Hahaha religion in its purity I believe is very romantic, maybe your the ignorant one. I'm not homophobic, infact I have met many gays and respected them and I'm very friendly towards them, but I just want to say it's ok for GAYS to admit they made a mistake as religion is not a disliked lifestyle your having a misunderstanding also people do no become gay from birth, I believe it's EXTERNAL factors that make them gay ie watching too much porn etc


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    Bottom line is that nobody as of yet has any proof to state that homosexuality is either genetic or occurs through social conditioning. The first sexual attraction I ever had was to a boy, I would have been around eleven at the time - I had never seen pornography in my life.

    As for conversion therapy, you can read up as much as you'd like on that. The general consensus sits that it is both immoral and ineffective. It's often conceived that claimants of being "cured" are actually just masking true intentions within the shallow; these are then released within later years under pressure or buildup of self-loathing.

    I have a very good friend in New Jersey who is a gay Christian. He is accepted and embraced by his family and church community and this makes me very happy. They understand that the romantic love between two men (or two women) is just as precious as the love between a man and a woman. It is love nonetheless, between two consenting adults.
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    (Original post by A5ko)
    I've never met a gay who decided they can't be any more.
    You can't change your urges but you can avoid acting on them and that's what many Gay Christians do.
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    (Original post by Cornelius)
    You can't change your urges but you can avoid acting on them and that's what many Gay Christians do.
    This is exactly right.
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    You cannot choose who you're attracted to, but you can choose whether or not to act on that attraction.
    Based on what I understand, this phrase implies that sexuality is not a choice, right?
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    My religious ex boyfriend told me that he struggled to choose between God and I.

    We were together for eight months and it was all sweet, but towards the end his commitment seemed to falter off... Ignore the fact that we're gay, the relationship between us was perfectly fine: we respected each other, we gave each other room to do our own stuffs, we finished each other sentences (literally in sync,) we even had future plans.. That said, everything seemed like nothing once he realized that he's a Christian and should not be gay.

    I feel like asking some questions: does every Christian believe in everything that's been written in the bible? If that's not true, how do one choose what to follow and what not to?

    Forgive me if I posted in the wrong section, or if you feel offended.
    As a Christian I see no problem with being gay. If you love one another then it isn't wrong.
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    (Original post by Lifeislong)
    I'm not a Christian, I follow another religion, but just to say, you cannot be born gay or bi, that dosent really make sense , but I don't feel really sorry for you, he realised his MISTAKE and chose his religion over you, he did not do anything wrong, and quite frankly I think you should chose your religion aswell, I hope I did not offend you


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    "Hey, I'm neither gay, Christian nor intending to offer advice so I'm not really sure what I'm doing here. But just so that you know, even though sexuality is genetic, you can't be born LGBT (although you can certainly be born straight, that makes PERFECT sense). I don't really feel sorry that your partner, whom you must have cared about deeply, decided to abandon you due to the teachings of an ancient religious book that has little relevance in modern society. He realised that he made a MISTAKE by not obeying an imaginary omniscient dude who lives in the sky, of whose existence there is absolutely no scientific proof. He chose an oppressive, outdated and harmful religion over you, he didn't do anything wrong, and frankly I think you should choose an oppressive, outdated and harmful religion too. But I hope I didn't offend you or anything."
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    (Original post by Lifeislong)
    Hahaha religion in its purity I believe is very romantic, maybe your the ignorant one. I'm not homophobic, infact I have met many gays and respected them and I'm very friendly towards them, but I just want to say it's ok for GAYS to admit they made a mistake as religion is not a disliked lifestyle your having a misunderstanding also people do no become gay from birth, I believe it's EXTERNAL factors that make them gay ie watching too much porn etc


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    Pfft. I'm bisexual and I've never watched porn in my life as I find the idea of it repulsive. I personally don't think that blind faith is very romantic; I prefer people who can think rationally for themselves. You seem to have the idea that LGBT = hypersexualised, which is just plain untrue.
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    Christians who have a problem with homosexuality don't know enough about their religion, and probably subscribe to a a blinkered outdated view of Biblical exegesis. Context is key when looking at the Bible, as it was a product of its time, and different parts were written with different aims in mind and with a different surrounding context. If any Christian took the time to look into Biblical history and analysis, they would see that the Bible is just a written history of Christian tradition. No more, no less.

    Christian faith should be centred around Jesus, his acts, his values. Would Jesus condemn a homosexual for acting on their natural attractions, an aspect of themselves which they cannot help? I severely doubt it.

    Also, why would God create homosexuals, if they were somehow immoral for being so? Just think about it, rather than blindly following a collection of theological writings from centuries ago.
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    (Original post by Lifeislong)
    Hahaha religion in its purity I believe is very romantic, maybe your the ignorant one. I'm not homophobic, infact I have met many gays and respected them and I'm very friendly towards them, but I just want to say it's ok for GAYS to admit they made a mistake as religion is not a disliked lifestyle your having a misunderstanding also people do no become gay from birth, I believe it's EXTERNAL factors that make them gay ie watching too much porn etc


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    Did you make a concious decision to be straight?
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    As a Christian I see no problem with being gay. If you love one another then it isn't wrong.
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    "Hey, I'm neither gay, Christian nor intending to offer advice so I'm not really sure what I'm doing here. But just so that you know, even though sexuality is genetic, you can't be born LGBT (although you can certainly be born straight, that makes PERFECT sense). I don't really feel sorry that your partner, whom you must have cared about deeply, decided to abandon you due to the teachings of an ancient religious book that has little relevance in modern society. He realised that he made a MISTAKE by not obeying an imaginary omniscient dude who lives in the sky, of whose existence there is absolutely no scientific proof. He chose an oppressive, outdated and harmful religion over you, he didn't do anything wrong, and frankly I think you should choose an oppressive, outdated and harmful religion too. But I hope I didn't offend you or anything."
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    When I saw you'd quoted me I thought you'd said something in reponse to something I said :emo:
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    Christianity doesn't forbid being homosexual, but forbids homosexual acts.
    So you can be a homosexual but without any sexual contact or gay relationships.
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    When I saw you'd quoted me I thought you'd said something in reponse to something I said :emo:
    An emoticon is worth a thousand words. I hereby respond with official text
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    (Original post by Artur96)
    Christianity doesn't forbid being homosexual, but forbids homosexual acts.
    So you can be a homosexual but without any sexual contact or gay relationships.
    So gay people need to live their lives without any kind of romantic love or companionship?

    Well that sure sounds like a healthy and sane way to live.

    If a religion is anti-love then there is something hella wrong with that interpretation of that religion. There are many gay friendly congregations that base their entire life around the idea that love is love is love and that Jesus just wants everyone to be good, do good and love. I very much doubt that Jesus would want anyone to live their lives in so much pain and without love just because some old dudes wrote a book a couple of hundreds years after his life.

    And the idea that a gay person could be the most perfect Christian imaginable but he or she is going straight to hell for having a same sex partner is ridiculous.
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    the one thing I hate is people using a religion to oppress other people, another thing I hate is religion controlling peoples lives. Most people pick and choice when they want to follow the bible or not. If your ex boyfriend wants to magically convert back to his 'Christian ways' then consider it lucky as he sound like he can't fully accept his sexuality and isn't worthy of your time.
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    I'm a Christian and I'm bi. I'm not a STRONG Christian however as I only pray when I need to but don't go to church. I must admit the first time I had a crush on the same sex I felt horrible and felt as if I was doing something wrong but now I honestly don't care. There's no way to stop this powerful pull you have towards a person and if you deny it just because of your religion then you need to reconsider your values...

    My parents are homophobes so I haven't told them that I'm bi but I am continuously trying to tell them that it's not disgusting or unnatural in anyway. Ironically I used to be a sorta-homophobe when I was around 13 because I believed everything my parents told me about them but then one of my best friends turned out to be gay and that's when I realised I had no reason to feel disgusted.

    Regarding your post, I don't believe everything that's in the bible - if I'm quite honest, I only believe the fact that God made the universe, Jesus died for our sins and some other things. I don't believe that God hates gays and I know for a fact​ that Christians only despise gays because it's supposedly unnatural to them.
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    (Original post by Anonymous)
    My religious ex boyfriend told me that he struggled to choose between God and I.


    Forgive me if I posted in the wrong section, or if you feel offended.
    This topic has always been hard for me to say where I stand. And to others there are actually Christians out there who do not pick and choose what to follow. Though many do, not all.
 
 
 
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