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    (Original post by Schrödingers Cat)
    Yes because doctors make peanuts right?

    Ok good to know :unsure:
    Its not a profession you choose if you're after money.

    They make a good living.

    Stop being mean to me!
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    (Original post by Adipoptosis)
    Why do we have this safety net?

    People know that no matter how lazy they get, their most important asset, their health is protected for free, no matter what.

    Take away the safety net and the whole country would be so much more motivated.

    We should just keep it free for people who genuinely can't work due to disability.

    lol by the way, I fully appreciate how wonderful the NHS is, I'm just wondering about the merits of this argument.
    I think the NHS is fantastic, by all means. They do have their ups and downs but I am thankful every single day that they saved my life from a very rare issue that I had (do not want to go into it) and if I hadn't been operated on, or if the consultant hadn't scanned me twice to make sure, I would of died as a result.
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    (Original post by Adipoptosis)
    Why do we have this safety net?

    People know that no matter how lazy they get, their most important asset, their health is protected for free, no matter what.

    Take away the safety net and the whole country would be so much more motivated.

    We should just keep it free for people who genuinely can't work due to disability.

    lol by the way, I fully appreciate how wonderful the NHS is, I'm just wondering about the merits of this argument.
    This is absolute rubbish.
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    Were you dropped on your head as a baby? Because your OP sure suggests that.
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    (Original post by Adipoptosis)
    Well to be fair they are the richest and most powerful country in the world.
    Also one of the most unequal Western countries in the world...
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    (Original post by Dalek1099)
    USA has a good life expectancy:confused:What happens is that you pay healthcare insurance, which most employed in decent wages could afford so the idea that someone earning 50,000 couldn't afford it is wrong.
    So how come most Americans support Obamacare? And how come millions are uninsured? The fact is if we got rid of the NHS it would take time to adjust. The USA has had its system for a long time, and even then many want to change it.
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    (Original post by hamix.forllz)
    So how come most Americans support Obamacare? And how come millions are uninsured? The fact is if we got rid of the NHS it would take time to adjust. The USA has had its system for a long time, and even then many want to change it.
    because millions of people are unemployed/not getting decent wages I was certainly not advising scrapping the NHS just pointing how exaggerated the points made in that post were.
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    (Original post by Dalek1099)
    USA has a good life expectancy:confused:What happens is that you pay healthcare insurance, which most employed in decent wages could afford so the idea that someone earning 50,000 couldn't afford it is wrong.
    Even those with insurance still end up with massive hospital bills, those with very good insurance will get a smaller bill and if they're lucky no bill at all...but then to get very good insurance is expensive and not something the majority can afford in america. Not to mention there are millions of people in america who aren't employed on a decent wage.
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    (Original post by SebCross)
    This is absolute rubbish.
    Couldn't have said it better myself.
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    Firstly, the US is a good example of a country that doesn't (or at least didn't) have a good public healthcare system and I don't think Americans are any more careful about their health than people living in the UK. And regardless, even if it were true that people would be more careful, you're ignoring all of the very negative effects of removing the NHS. The net effect would be very harmful on the health of the population of the UK, much more harmful to the careful than the careless.
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    did you mean to say people would be unable to get out of the house because they're literally on their death bed while they're organs eat themselves or did you actually mean just lazy
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    (Original post by Dalek1099)
    USA has a good life expectancy:confused:What happens is that you pay healthcare insurance, which most employed in decent wages could afford so the idea that someone earning 50,000 couldn't afford it is wrong.
    the US has a worse life expectancy than most of Europe, and a worse life expectancy than Cuba

    US spending per capita on state funded healthcare ( for a fraction of the population and excluding Federal employees who have health care as part of their TaCoS) exceeds that of the of the UK per capita spend on the NHS . then there is the burden of Health insurance for the majority of workers in the US, and it;s not the optional perk that health insurance is in the UK or the rest of the developed world.

    from a social and community perspective the USA is not part of the Developed world.
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    Without the NHS, I'd have died before I was old enough to get a job to pay for any treatment. From broken bones from playing sport at school. If indeed I'd have been born at all, given that my mum would just be writhing in agony from her untreated arthritis and fibromyalgia that even with treatment still prevents her from working.
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    If someone destroyed the NHS, people wouldn't be so lazy.

    true. and only the elite will have access to healthcare. Fantastic! Britain will be taken over by poshingtons.
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    (Original post by zippyRN)
    the US has a worse life expectancy than most of Europe, and a worse life expectancy than Cuba

    US spending per capita on state funded healthcare ( for a fraction of the population and excluding Federal employees who have health care as part of their TaCoS) exceeds that of the of the UK per capita spend on the NHS . then there is the burden of Health insurance for the majority of workers in the US, and it;s not the optional perk that health insurance is in the UK or the rest of the developed world.

    from a social and community perspective the USA is not part of the Developed world.
    The USA's life expectancy is 78.74 the difference between areas in London is much much larger than between the USA and Europe and yet all these areas in the UK have the NHS.I am not saying the NHS should be privatised just that the state of healthcare problems in USA is exaggerated.
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    (Original post by Dalek1099)
    The USA's life expectancy is 78.74 the difference between areas in the London is much much larger than between the USA and Europe and yet all these areas in the UK have the NHS.I am not saying the NHS should be privatised just that the state of healthcare problems in USA is exaggerated.
    if the US System was demonstrably better as is usually claimed by those who want a for profit pay as you go system ( whether insurance covers part of that or not ) then the life expectancy in the US would be domonstrably higher ...
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    (Original post by Adipoptosis)
    Well to be fair they are the richest and most powerful country in the world.
    With people dying because they cannot afford healthcare.
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    (Original post by zippyRN)
    if the US System was demonstrably better as is usually claimed by those who want a for profit pay as you go system ( whether insurance covers part of that or not ) then the life expectancy in the US would be domonstrably higher ...
    Yes the NHS system is better than the US system because not only does everyone have access to healthcare but also because of the issue that doctors could deliberately not treat people properly so that they would get more profit, this can be seen in the UK's medicine industries and it is terrible that it happens.
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    hear hear! Bring back the workhouse! Arbeit Macht Frei!













    edit: So I just remembered saluting Nazism may be illegal and would like to remind TSR I am of course being sarcastic, without the NHS I would be dead.
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    (Original post by Mequa)
    Without socialised medicine the outcome will be Social Darwinism. Those born with pre-existing conditions or certain disabilities without being born with a silver spoon in their mouth, will die. Just to spell it out clearly for anyone who misses that point.

    And yes, I have seen TSR members in support of this outcome, seeing it as "burdens on society releasing themselves".
    are you a fan of Social Darwinism?
 
 
 
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