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    (Original post by Paralove)
    You have there just contradicted the argument in your OP about excessive drinking. A lot of people, for the population as a whole, do not drink in excess.

    Everything in moderation.
    Except moderation itself
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    (Original post by Maria1812)
    I am not saying to judge them but many addicts never recover
    because alcoholism can make people homeless they may do petty crime to fund alcohol it is hard to get job with criminal record and alcohol is very addictive some recover but I don't have hope in those rehabilation places. If you know something about them then you can comment.Also its hard to stop a life you are familar with.
    Regardless of everything you'd just said, I'm not gonna play God with my organs. I'm not gonna care who they go to. I'll be dead.
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    (Original post by Guru Jason)
    Except moderation itself
    Hahaaa that's true!
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    (Original post by Tillybop)
    Just because you don't like alcohol, doesn't mean you should be able to shame others who do. Ok some people drink to excess and that's bad, but on the whole the odd bit of alcohol doesn't harm you. Not only does it create social opportunities, it also allows you to relax and have a chill at the end of a heavy week of work. There's no harm in people having a bit of fun and enjoying themselves every once in a while, and you don't have the right to say to people that they are shameful for doing so.

    Not everyone who drinks, drinks to excess, so you can't stick everyone under one pin.

    I accept the reasons why some people don't drink, whether they just don't like it, or have related health problems. For years I couldn't drink due to an undiagnosed heart problem, but I wouldn't shame others who wanted to go out for a drink.
    I'm not shaming those who drink however alcohol makes me angry as I seen peoples behaviour under tis influence. You cannot spek to them and create any socialising oppourunities they don't take anything seriously they forget their respoinsibilities. They can drink if they want to but I think the consumation of alcohol is wrong as I see nothing good about it what so ever because when I try to speak to them they vomit they foget responsibilties alcohol is the destroyer of people and families.
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    (Original post by little_wizard123)
    You must be fun at parties.
    I don't go to parties. I go to chess clubs or the library.
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    (Original post by morgan8002)
    They are genuine arguments not to hate alcohol.
    The first one links to the betterment of humankind.
    The second states that we wouldn't even exist without alcohols. Life would either be extremely different or would still not be any more complex than viruses.
    The OP is obviously talking about the behaviour of drinking alcohol in society, not the molecule in general. I do agree he could have worded it better, though.
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    (Original post by lccy)
    Regardless of everything you'd just said, I'm not gonna play God with my organs. I'm not gonna care who they go to. I'll be dead.
    If I would be an organ donor I would make sure my organs went to those who would look after them and appreciate them not to those who would abuse them, neglect them as I would want them to save a life which would really take the oppourtunity of having new organs and use them how they should be used.
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    (Original post by anosmianAcrimony)
    The OP is obviously talking about the behaviour of drinking alcohol in society, not the molecule in general. I do agree he could have worded it better, though.
    Functional group not molecule.
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    (Original post by Maria1812)
    I hate alcohol the things it does to people psyhologicly and physicly. I hate when people complain they have drunk too much and vomit because no one told them to harm their bodies it is their decision alcohol annoys me I sometimes destroys families friendships and relationships. I am annoyed with people who say they will no longer drink alcohol but they do it anyway I don't understand why some pay lots of money for alcohol because htey are not paying for fun or relaxation they are paying for cancer diabetes and other illnesses. There is no point saying alcohol is good in small amounts as most people when they drink they drink a lot and I think the negatives out weight the positives. Apparently alcohol is good for the heart so why does excessive drinking cause heart problems?

    I think people who damaged their organs and body because of their selfishness to drink alcohol don't deserve new organs as there are others who need them more because they did not drink and it was not their choice or new organs such as cancers and other diseases not due to alcohol,drugs,smoking. I hate alcohol takers they annoy me I cannot look them straight in the eye how can someone pay or use someone elses money to damage their organs it is not fun or relaxing to damage your health? Please write your opinions on alcohol.
    Sure, but is this really your opinion or the opinion you're parents taught you/brought you up with. In any case some people are perhaps more straight laced. Many people drink due to stress, they get stressed at uni, work, personal problems often not of their choosing and the only way to relieve it quickly and make themselves comfortable and relaxed again is alcohol. That's why it can be good for the heart as long term unrelieved stress can be a killer with the heart possibly moreso than alcohol, its up there with the biggest killers. Yet, stress is rarely taken seriously in the workplace, many employers just don't want to know about it, they just care about profitability. The government to turn a blind eye to stress in the workplace as mentioning it would upset employers. While someone drunk can be disturbing only a few become violent depending on their nature. It may be problematic sometimes but its going through life can be hard sometimes as things can go downhill regardless of whether alcohol is present so it can provide s welcome relief from the ills of this world.
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    (Original post by Maria1812)
    If I would be an organ donor I would make sure my organs went to those who would look after them and appreciate them not to those who would abuse them, neglect them as I would want them to save a life which would really take the oppourtunity of having new organs and use them how they should be used.
    Well then I guess we've found the difference between me and you!
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    (Original post by Stewie2011)
    Sure, but is this really your opinion or the opinion you're parents taught you/brought you up with. In any case some people are perhaps more straight laced. Many people drink due to stress, they get stressed at uni, work, personal problems often not of their choosing and the only way to relieve it quickly and make themselves comfortable and relaxed again is alcohol. That's why it can be good for the heart as long term unrelieved stress can be a killer with the heart possibly moreso than alcohol, its up there with the biggest killers. Yet, stress is rarely taken seriously in the workplace, many employers just don't want to know about it, they just care about profitability. The government to turn a blind eye to stress in the workplace as mentioning it would upset employers. While someone drunk can be disturbing only a few become violent depending on their nature. It may be problematic sometimes but its going through life can be hard sometimes as things can go downhill regardless of whether alcohol is present so it can provide s welcome relief from the ills of this world.
    I think the problem is people don't care and don't want to here your problems stress and alcohol are oe of the biggest killers becaue people often don't care about others.
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    (Original post by Maria1812)
    I don't go to parties. I go to chess clubs or the library.
    Do you play chess in the library or is that too crazy?
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    (Original post by Maria1812)
    I'm not shaming those who drink however alcohol makes me angry as I seen peoples behaviour under tis influence. You cannot spek to them and create any socialising oppourunities they don't take anything seriously they forget their respoinsibilities. They can drink if they want to but I think the consumation of alcohol is wrong as I see nothing good about it what so ever because when I try to speak to them they vomit they foget responsibilties alcohol is the destroyer of people and families.
    You clearly are shaming them. You seem to be under the impression that alcohol can only be consumed in large quantities. You can easily just go out for a single drink. It's there for people to be able to relax, so that they can go out and enjoy a day off from work, or even to compliment a nice meal. It's not like alcohol is always monstrous. I've seen how alcohol can destroy people, so it's not like I don't know what I'm talking about - but those are extreme cases. Most people who drink will just have a small amount, where there are no restrictions or repercussions, that come with everyday life.

    Let's not forget that the structure of DNA, the basis of life, was discovered by two men who went out for a regular afternoon wine, where they discussed their research. Clearly these men, who went on to win a Nobel Prize, had not forgotten their responsibilities. And I doubt they were vomiting.
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    (Original post by Schrödingers Cat)
    Alcohol is also healthy is not drunk too much.....

    I think you've dug yourself a hole here
    No it isn't. Meat is. Meat has unique nutrional benefits and provides good macro-nutrients when consumed in moderation.

    While alcohol has some benefits it is invariably always outweighed by the negatives to your health when consumed.

    It is perfectly fine to say that consumption of any food which can become unhealthy in moderation is fine but alcohol is bad, because alcohol is not such a food, it is by necessity always harmful for purely dietary reasons to consume.

    Go on, cite me some bad-science study to "prove" otherwise. I've seen them all before.
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    (Original post by Maria1812)
    I hate alcohol the things it does to people psyhologicly and physicly. I hate when people complain they have drunk too much and vomit because no one told them to harm their bodies it is their decision alcohol annoys me I sometimes destroys families friendships and relationships. I am annoyed with people who say they will no longer drink alcohol but they do it anyway I don't understand why some pay lots of money for alcohol because htey are not paying for fun or relaxation they are paying for cancer diabetes and other illnesses. There is no point saying alcohol is good in small amounts as most people when they drink they drink a lot and I think the negatives out weight the positives. Apparently alcohol is good for the heart so why does excessive drinking cause heart problems?

    I think people who damaged their organs and body because of their selfishness to drink alcohol don't deserve new organs as there are others who need them more because they did not drink and it was not their choice or new organs such as cancers and other diseases not due to alcohol,drugs,smoking. I hate alcohol takers they annoy me I cannot look them straight in the eye how can someone pay or use someone elses money to damage their organs it is not fun or relaxing to damage your health? Please write your opinions on alcohol.
    I agree with you entirely. I'm quite a rational person myself though so I had to research the health effects and other effects of alcohol quite thoroughly. You'll be glad to know that it is always invariably unhealthy for dietary consumption, much like chocolate-cake-induced-sugar in the morbidly obese (yes, I know the mobidly obese can die of starvation through hypoglycemia due to high insulin resistance, but cake derived sugar can always come from better sources, like fruits, which won't contribute to the insulin resistance and won't **** up their veins).

    I grew up in an environment where alcohol was abused by my grandfather. It's a horrible drug. Fortunately my mother and father aren't so bad, they just binge-drink and you know, it doesn't do their health any good but I respect their autonomy to make life choices, I'm not hating them as people for being obese and uneducated, BUT I still dislike the fact that -alcohol-consumption as a thing exists and uneducation as a thing exists.

    You are shaming alcohol consumers, but they ought to be shamed just like any drug consumer. We shame the heroin-taker, we shame the cocaine-taker, we shame the MDMA taker, we shame the alcohol taker, we shame the steroid taker, we shame the khat taker. Why do people choose to draw the line at alcohol? I see no reason for that. All unhealthy life decisions ought to be shamed. That's why I also shame people for being obese. They deserve to be shamed - unless of course they cannot help it, which is why I don't shame people I don't know, but if I know someone to be obese when they have no reason to be, I shame them and so I should. Ultimately they have a choice to be obese or not though, yes some choices are better than others but I think they should still have that choice. I also would tax them extra for being obese though to make them pay for the fact that they are being a disproportionately high weight on the NHS, but that's a different argument entirely and I'm going off topic :P
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    I don't like drinking either. I choose not to drink but I think it's ok if people drink in moderation. Hate seeing/being around drunk people
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    I like to drink alcohol and get drunk sometimes, but I do agree that those who insist on drinking until they throw up are absolutely stupid. I've only thrown up once when drinking and after that I realised that it's not fun to get to that point at all.

    But yeah I don't go out drinking much recently, but I don't think alcohol's the worst thing ever
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    (Original post by TorpidPhil)
    No it isn't. Meat is. Meat has unique nutrional benefits and provides good macro-nutrients when consumed in moderation.

    While alcohol has some benefits it is invariably always outweighed by the negatives to your health when consumed.

    It is perfectly fine to say that consumption of any food which can become unhealthy in moderation is fine but alcohol is bad, because alcohol is not such a food, it is by necessity always harmful for purely dietary reasons to consume.

    Go on, cite me some bad-science study to "prove" otherwise. I've seen them all before.
    Meat doesn't have unique benefits, any meat substitutes do the same job...

    Alcohol isn't outweighed by negatives, drinking alcohol is better than not drinking alcohol at all.

    I think you're just a bit upset because you don't drink and can't accept the truth :rolleyes:

    As requested:

    http://www.psmag.com/health-and-beha...-healthy-87891

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/ar...-sex-life.html

    I think you're reading too in depth into this really, like all things in life food has benefits and consequences. Eating a lot of red meat actually increases the risk of cancer, as you said meat can be good for you but it also can be bad for you.
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    (Original post by Stewie2011)
    Sure, but is this really your opinion or the opinion you're parents taught you/brought you up with. In any case some people are perhaps more straight laced. Many people drink due to stress, they get stressed at uni, work, personal problems often not of their choosing and the only way to relieve it quickly and make themselves comfortable and relaxed again is alcohol. That's why it can be good for the heart as long term unrelieved stress can be a killer with the heart possibly moreso than alcohol, its up there with the biggest killers. Yet, stress is rarely taken seriously in the workplace, many employers just don't want to know about it, they just care about profitability. The government to turn a blind eye to stress in the workplace as mentioning it would upset employers. While someone drunk can be disturbing only a few become violent depending on their nature. It may be problematic sometimes but its going through life can be hard sometimes as things can go downhill regardless of whether alcohol is present so it can provide s welcome relief from the ills of this world.
    An individual's being able to perceive stress is a different phenomenon from there being physiological stress. While alcohol may take away one's ability to know they are stressed, the stress itself doesn't go away:

    http://www.justaskhope.com/does-drinking-lower-stress/

    https://www.drinkaware.co.uk/check-t...ure-for-stress

    http://pubs.niaaa.nih.gov/publicatio...-4/250-255.pdf

    http://edition.cnn.com/2013/09/24/he...stress-upwave/
 
 
 
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