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    (Original post by Swanbow)
    He thought it seriously enough to write to the foreign secretary about it.

    For reference it was written as a reply to the report from George Mantello, published June 1944, on the squalid conditions of the Jewish ghettos in Hungary, the deportations and death camp at Auschwitz-Birkenau. After which there was serious debate about bombing Auschwitz.
    The British bombed the IG Farben Standard Oil production factory at Monowitz. This was a joined German / U.S. Concern and where the effectively slave workers at Auschwitz-Birkenau worked. Some of the bombs happened to land on the Auschwitz-Birkenau. It was not a target and was not considered a target. That was collateral damage.

    Oil resources decided the outcome of the Second World War.

    There was no debate to bomb Auschwitz. This is something that has only come up in the last couple of years and it seems me propagated because it's a good sideshow.

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    (Original post by Izzyeviel)
    Oh honey don't bother with him (or her); he'll never change his mind. He just posted this to see the people agree with him or to stir up something.
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    Oh honey don't bother with him (or her); he'll never change his mind. He just posted this to see the people agree with him or to stir up something.
    Surely you must see that the guy in the video is biased as hell.




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    (Original post by gagafacea1)
    Oh honey don't bother with him (or her); he'll never change his mind. He just posted this to see the people agree with him or to stir up something.
    I know.
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    (Original post by Ccomp)
    Surely you must see that the guy in the video is biased as hell.




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    How dare he agree with 97% of the scientific committee. You're more than welcome to supply evidence debunking this.
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    (Original post by Ccomp)
    Surely you must see that the guy in the video is biased as hell.
    Firstly, bias does not equal wrong. Secondly, he's a lot less biased then all the conservatives and republicans in america so...
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    (Original post by Izzyeviel)
    How dare he agree with 97% of the scientific committee. You're more than welcome to supply evidence debunking this.
    I've already debunked it. Look at a 2000 year temperature chart. We are within normal variances. There was mini ice age in the 1700's and we are in the period where the temperature is heating after that. (Although since the year 2000 it has fallen.)

    Someone has shown a correlation between CO2 emissions and temperature for some tiny gap in history, several decades. Correlation does not prove causation. In fact that there many irrelevant correlations that are just coincidental.


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    (Original post by Ccomp)
    I've already debunked it. Look at a 2000 year temperature chart. We are within normal variances. There was mini ice age in the 1700's and we are in the period where the temperature is heating after that. (Although since the year 2000 it has fallen.)

    Someone has shown a correlation between CO2 emissions and temperature for some tiny gap in history, several decades. Correlation does not prove causation. In fact that there many irrelevant correlations that are just coincidental.


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    Are you saying we're in the middle of an ice age but global warming is cancelling it out?
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    The crematoriums in the camps were used to dispose of dead bodies but not gassed bodies. It makes no sense that you would gas people then transport them all the way over to a crematorium and burn the bodies. That's the same as killing someone twice. This is why there has never been a gassed body ever tested or inspected. They claim they were all burnt which is rubbish as we've seen sickly looking bodies. Early in the camps history they had a giant typhus outbreak that killed thousands including neighbouring Polish people. They then built these crematoriums so that instead of burying the diseased bodies that posed risks of contaminating water they would cremate them.
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    (Original post by Fango.Jett)
    The crematoriums in the camps were used to dispose of dead bodies but not gassed bodies. It makes no sense that you would gas people then transport them all the way over to a crematorium and burn the bodies. That's the same as killing someone twice. This is why there has never been a gassed body ever tested or inspected. They claim they were all burnt which is rubbish as we've seen sickly looking bodies. Early in the camps history they had a giant typhus outbreak that killed thousands including neighbouring Polish people. They then built these crematoriums so that instead of burying the diseased bodies that posed risks of contaminating water they would cremate them.
    I think you need to articulate your point better because it does not seem to make sense. In the United States criminal justice system when they execute someone they first kill them e.g. electric chair, then deal with the body e.g. Burial or cremation. That is not like killing someone twice.

    The arguments about flaws in the logistics of the widely believed operation are why would you transport someone sometimes 3 countries just to kill them. People say that it was using modern efficiency to make the killing process cheaper. But if we look at the United States, a controlled execution is very expensive. A bullet would have been much cheaper than all that procedure (less than one dollar).

    Then there is the problem of whether tins of Zyklon B were used to execute people or clean pests and disease from their clothes.

    In the United States in 1930s it was standard procedure to treat Mexican immigrants with Zyklon B to make sure that diseases were not brought into the country. They did not die from this treatment. Of course when people write articles about this, they write about how frightening it is that the United States had commonalities with the Nazi Germany and somehow people don't ask the right questions.



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    (Original post by Izzyeviel)
    Are you saying we're in the middle of an ice age but global warming is cancelling it out?
    No! I am saying that global temperature naturally oscillates like a sine wave. It goes up then down, then up, then down, then up, then down.

    When it gets to the bottom it's called an Ice Age. On the way up, it is naturally going up.

    There is no man made global warming to cancel out an ice age, the temperature is just rising naturally.

    We have only recently crossed the middle line on the way up to a peak from a trough.

    If there was significant variation from a natural pattern, someone could call an anomaly. But there isn't so the question has to be asked to the Global Warming lobby and IPCC what the hell are you on about. Their response is usually that they have some very complex data that lay people would not understand. Really?


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    I think only people who actively say that the Holocaust didn't happen should be called deniers thereof.

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    (Original post by Musie Suzie)
    I think only people who actively say that the Holocaust didn't happen should be called deniers thereof.

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    The phase Holocaust Deniers is a trick in itself. It's trying to suggest that some people make something binary when they don't.

    There is no Holocaust Revisionist who does not say that laws were passed against Jews in Germany to force them to leave, that there were mass deportations, tax grabs and many were sent to concentration camps, that German troops shot them in certain towns and that imprisoned Jews were used as slaves, and that moderate numbers died from the conditions of camps in the final days of the war.

    What Holocaust Revisionists say is that there was no such weapon as a gas chamber used in mass. (There may be some truth in a gas chamber being used in what the Germans considered a humane way to euthanise a small number of insane people). And Holocaust Revisionists disputed the numbers claimed to have been processed and executed in the German concentration camps and labour camps.

    Holocaust Revisionists are simply the small section of the population that is most informed about the period in history.


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    (Original post by Ccomp)
    What they acknowledged was in line with the British Ministry of Information & Alfred Hitchcock Bergen Belsen reel from 1945 showing starving, diseased and dying people in the camps in the thousands during the last days. They never acknowledged millions killed by gas chambers.


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    Hello Nazi

    Killing someone in a gas chamber is part of the holocaust

    But so is locking them up in a camp and killing them through starvation, hypothermia, inadequate water supplies or untreated disease.

    The holocaust is not defined as killing every single person in a gas chamber, except, it seems, by nazi apologists.
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    (Original post by Joinedup)
    Hello Nazi

    Killing someone in a gas chamber is part of the holocaust

    But so is locking them up in a camp and killing them through starvation, hypothermia, inadequate water supplies or untreated disease.

    The holocaust is not defined as killing every single person in a gas chamber, except, it seems, by nazi apologists.
    I have no issue if people want to argue that the death rates from disease or exhaustion was intentional. It is a possible argument to make. Starvation only happened at the end of the war so it's not really a viable case to make as a long term plan.

    I am only challenging the gas chamber and the numbers.

    That is not the same thing as agreeing with Nazi policy.



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    (Original post by Ccomp)
    This is a list of the world’s most famous but often not acknowledged “Holocaust deniers”:

    Winston Churchill - never made any reference to it, not even in memoirs – Holocaust Denier on the same basis that David Irving is for “not mentioning it”.
    Charles de Gaulle - never made any reference to it, not even in memoirs – Holocaust Denier on the same basis that David Irving is for “not mentioning it”.
    Dwight D. Eisenhower - never made any reference to it, not even in memoirs – Holocaust Denier on the same basis that David Irving is for “not mentioning it”.
    The International Red Cross – whose reports from people who visited German camps do not match up to the Holocaust stories (apologised for “Holocaust denial” in the 1990s)
    The International Tracing Service
    Dr. Charles Larson – The United States Chief Forensic Pathologist who investigated 20 German camps in 1945
    You could also mention British Intelligence which decoded German communications from 1942 onwards. On 27 August 1943 V Cavendish-Bentinck, chairman of the Joint Intelligence Committee of the War Cabinet, and thus head of British Intelligence, wrote:

    I think that we weaken our case against the Germans by publicly giving credence to atrocity stories for which we have no evidence. These mass executions in gas chambers remind me of the story of employment of human corpses during the last war for the manufacture of fat, which was a grotesque lie and led to the
    true stories of German enormities being brushed aside as being mere propaganda…”
    Public Record Office, in the file PRO FO 371/34551, dated 27 August, 1943.

    Also, British intelligence-analyst F.H. Hinsley, wrote in 1981:

    "The return from Auschwitz, the largest of the camps with 20,000 prisoners, mentioned illness as the main cause of death, but included references to shootings and hangings. There were no references in the decrypts to gassings."
    British Intelligence in World War Two, HMSO, 1981 F.Hinsey Ed., Vol. II, p.67
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    (Original post by Chi019)
    You could also mention British Intelligence which decoded German communications from 1942 onwards. On 27 August 1943 V Cavendish-Bentinck, chairman of the Joint Intelligence Committee of the War Cabinet, and thus head of British Intelligence, wrote:



    Public Record Office, in the file PRO FO 371/34551, dated 27 August, 1943.

    Also, British intelligence-analyst F.H. Hinsley, wrote in 1981:



    British Intelligence in World War Two, HMSO, 1981 F.Hinsey Ed., Vol. II, p.67
    Thanks for that. That is some very good information to help make the case that people are unable to discern facts from fiction in this media driven reality.




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