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    (Original post by kif)
    'People born into muslim families have no option either...because their parents practically force it on them?' That is a completely generalised statement please tell me where you are getting these misogynist ideas from!? The hijaab didnt oppress women, it liberated them. Liberated them from what you may ask? From the sexualisation of women.
    yeah, that's why in those countries where they're forced to wear it, they have multiple and child marriages, prohibitions of women driving or being in public alonel stonings of women to death, FGM, etc. exactly. flawless reasoning.

    In the media women are used as commercial tools through displays on magazines, Billboards, page 3 and wherever else they need 'em. Isn't this what you call oppression?
    so if a woman wants to be topless on page three based on her own rational economic interests-calculations (because a woman is obviously a rational agent, not a child), are you saying she shouldn't have that right? are you saying women are too stupid to live their lives in a manner that "benefits them"? wow. you're calling me the misogynist?

    Sadly modern society still views women as sex objects.
    who's arguing that? but honestly, the hijab objectifies women sexually more than anything else because by wearing the hijab it suggests that she is being looked at like an object, which is a narrative of hijabi women being intentionally sexist towards themselves when they don't have to be (e.g. in the UK men don't look at women like sex objects in society)

    The hijaab liberates muslim women because Its a way of saying "dont f*** with me?' Yes, thats right - "dont f*** with me."
    nah, it's saying "this is the religion is was born into"

    Anything anyone else tells you is a euphemism for just that - to protect yourself,' 'to guard your modesty' blah blah blah. I know it can be ugly - but duh, thats the whole point.
    why would women choose to be unattractive? I've seen women in hijabs wearing make up (many at uni especially) - it doesn't make any sense if it's to intentionally look stupid

    I'm not into the whole 'World hijab day' phenomenon myself but this shouldn't be seen as an opportunity for tsr islamophobes (who clearly have a strange fascination with Islam,) to start firing their animosity at people who want to celebrate.
    it's not about people wanting to celebrate, it's about a public institution promoting a private religious affiliation. or at least what is heavily associated with islam (almost exclusively so). that violates the separation of church and state concept.
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    (Original post by kif)
    I totally disagree with you. Islam liberated women by giving them rights on property, inheritance and their own wealth almost 1500 years ago. The Prophet's first wife was a successful businesswoman whose life saw way beyond the domestic role. Victorian society on the hand seems to be the perfect epitomy of "patriarchal society," where men practically owned women and their role in society was disgustingly demeaning - that is, in European civilisation less than 200 years ago!

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    This isn't about 7th century Arabia and I know that's why I'm a feminists, you can't really tell me or explain to me how muslim countries version of sharia law further oppresses muslim women?? It's not right and whatever u say muslim men are as violent sexist ass atheist men it's a trait they share.
    Feminism is just an ideology that protests for equality, same as if u believe in socialism, communism or whatever
    Would u say that a socialist is a non muslim for carrying that label? I'm guessing no.
    Honestly I've read about so many powerful independent women during Islam's growth and one word feminism scares muslim men more than zionists seriously I'd advise you to read around the subject

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    Can I point out it is NOT obligatory for muslim women to wear ANY form of head coverings....it boils down to education, one's background and culture, and one's religious intensity....I know an innumerable ammount of muslim women who don't wear anything on their heads so there's no need to islam bash....as I said before it's more of a cultural and interpretable concern.

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    (Original post by elhm1800)
    Can I point out it is NOT obligatory for muslim women to wear ANY form of head coverings....it boils down to education, one's background and culture, and one's religious intensity....I know an innumerable ammount of muslim women who don't wear anything on their heads so there's no need to islam bash....
    Without islam, there would be far fewer evils in the world. Enforced head coverings being just one.
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    (Original post by radicalboujie)
    This isn't about 7th century Arabia and I know that's why I'm a feminists, you can't really tell me or explain to me how muslim countries version of sharia law further oppresses muslim women?? It's not right and whatever u say muslim men are as violent sexist ass atheist men it's a trait they share.
    Feminism is just an ideology that protests for equality, same as if u believe in socialism, communism or whatever
    Would u say that a socialist is a non muslim for carrying that label? I'm guessing no.
    Honestly I've read about so many powerful independent women during Islam's growth and one word feminism scares muslim men more than zionists seriously I'd advise you to read around the subject

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    People forget to realise that there are different forms of Feminism. One is Islamic Feminism. It aims to bring back the status of women that Islam had given to them. It tries to deal with the oppression that some men give to women due to abuse and misuse of Islamic rulings by them. So to say that you cannot be a Muslim and also Feminist is extreme and is clearly due to a phobia from men that women will turn the tables on them which isn't true. You can be Feminist and Muslim. Liberal Feminism is also ok. I hate the rest. I don't know if Islamic 'Feminist' is the right term to describe them. They are more like Islamic 'Revivers'. But some Islamic Feminist can turn away from their agenda which isn't uncommon.
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    (Original post by zippity.doodah)
    yeah, that's why in those countries where they're forced to wear it, they have multiple and child marriages, prohibitions of women driving or being in public alonel stonings of women to death, FGM, etc. exactly. flawless reasoning.

    I think you might be confusing middle eastern culture with religion. These are two separate entities.

    so if a woman wants to be topless on page three based on her own rational economic interests-calculations (because a woman is obviously a rational agent, not a child), are you saying she shouldn't have that right? are you saying women are too stupid to live their lives in a manner that "benefits them"? wow. you're calling me the misogynist?

    I didnt say women (or "rational agents" as you might call them) shouldn't have the right to strip down topless.
    It is ironic that you can acknowledge western women who wear hijaab as "too stupid to live their lives in a way that benefits them."


    who's arguing that? but honestly, the hijab objectifies women sexually more than anything else because by wearing the hijab it suggests that she is being looked at like an object, which is a narrative of hijabi women being intentionally sexist towards themselves when they don't have to be (e.g. in the UK men don't look at women like sex objects in society)

    You should check out the recent rape stats.


    nah, it's saying "this is the religion is was born into"

    Women wear hijaab for a whole different host of social, political and cultural reasons. Are you reducing an entire faith to a silly piece of cloth? Personally I think contemporary interpretations of hijaab are much more cultural than religious.


    why would women choose to be unattractive? I've seen women in hijabs wearing make up (many at uni especially) - it doesn't make any sense if it's to intentionally look stupid

    This is their own interpretation of hijaab which they have a 100% right to exercise in the democratic society we live in.


    it's not about people wanting to celebrate, it's about a public institution promoting a private religious affiliation. or at least what is heavily associated with islam (almost exclusively so). that violates the separation of church and state concept.
    Its an international celebration, (as the title of this thread suggests), and is thus totally irrelevant to the separation of church and state concept!! Plus I dont think Its as much of a big deal in Britain as it is in the US anyway!


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    (Original post by elhm1800)
    Having been born a muslim I know what I'm talking about. Perhaps your time would be better spent learning a little something about islam. The burqa has always been cultural and the hijab is what some women interpret as 'dressing modestly'. Take a look at nuns. Is Christianity now a misogynistic oppressive religion?

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    Most nuns do not wear headresses. I have never met a christian who does either. And yes christianity is misogynistic; all religion is because it was invented by primitive man
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    (Original post by Raymat)
    People forget to realise that there are different forms of Feminism. One is Islamic Feminism. It aims to bring back the status of women that Islam had given to them. It tries to deal with the oppression that some men give to women due to abuse and misuse of Islamic rulings by them. So to say that you cannot be a Muslim and also Feminist is extreme and is clearly due to a phobia from men that women will turn the tables on them which isn't true. You can be Feminist and Muslim. Liberal Feminism is also ok. I hate the rest. I don't know if Islamic 'Feminist' is the right term to describe them. They are more like Islamic 'Revivers'. But some Islamic Feminist can turn away from their agenda which isn't uncommon.
    I'm against liberal feminism and radical feminism, as a black woman they erase me and a Muslim woman need to save me so yeah I don't identify as those.
    I read some other guy describing muslim feminists as "reformers" and I'm against those moderate labels that are forced upon muslims just so we can be accepted by white ppl.
    And yes exactly patriarchal mysoginist interpretations have tainted islam and the way we practise it, and a lot of experiences in my life as a woman attracted me to feminism. But I'm happy another person understands what I mean

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    (Original post by kif)
    Its an international celebration, (as the title of this thread suggests), and is thus totally irrelevant to the separation of church and state concept!! Plus I dont think Its as much of a big deal in Britain as it is in the US anyway!


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    well it bloody well should be - it's 2015, not 1800
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    (Original post by radicalboujie)
    This is stupid and I'm saying this as a Muslim. Muslim women who've had their hijabs torn off,spat on, beaten up and raped bc of their choice of wearing a hijab are silenced and ignored,
    Then we have a bunch of white women and non muslims wearing then on the news crying "Omg I totally know what muslim women go through"
    So insulting and is another form of appropriation

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    What a load of nonsense.

    If you're a feminist then why would you promote something that is a symbol of oppression, and something that is (in many countries) forced upon women?
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    (Original post by zippity.doodah)
    well it bloody well should be - it's 2015, not 1800
    Exactly, humanity should have moved on past such superstitious nonsense!
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    (Original post by sladewilson)
    What a load of nonsense.

    If you're a feminist then why would you promote something that is a symbol of oppression, and something that is (in many countries) forced upon women?
    I was never forced to wear a hijab, when I turned 14 I decided to wear it myself and my mum helped with understanding the process, so did my mum before and her mother too.
    You have to understand that sexism and patriarchal interpretions have been put on a pedestal many female scholars that exist now are trying to combat this.
    Hijab is a choice, in islam whatever u do prayers or deeds minus intentions equals empty actions.
    So forcing the hijab on a woman is haram practically and a major sin.
    many muslim female activists are trying to combat so many cultural mysoginist practises done towards muslim women and that's Islamic Feminism.
    Feminism has many meanings and branches to add.
    Also I find the hijab spiritual personally and no other person can deny muslim women the right to wear in a hijab and at the same time promote "liberation" by stripping away their clothes

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    (Original post by sladewilson)
    What a load of nonsense.

    If you're a feminist then why would you promote something that is a symbol of oppression, and something that is (in many countries) forced upon women?
    http://youtu.be/0jWSDyJiIXg this helped me

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    Thanks for sharing that link.

    I apologise for my previous post. It was a little insensitive on my part - I see where you're coming from, and feel that you should be able to express yourself as you wish, with or without the hijab.
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    (Original post by sladewilson)
    Thanks for sharing that link.

    I apologise for my previous post. It was a little insensitive on my part - I see where you're coming from, and feel that you should be able to express yourself as you wish, with or without the hijab.
    Thank you.

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    I don't understand why there needs to be a day dedicated to something that is everyday for a majority of muslim women. Why do non-muslims feel the need to make the hijab a big thing. If people stopped making such a big deal about something that is meant to protect a women's modesty and encourage people to see their intelligence and personality before their beauty, then the women that wear hijabs as part of their religion would stop being stared at in the street (which is, as I'm informed, apparently something that happens in America).
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    (Original post by Wingardium)
    I don't understand why there needs to be a day dedicated to something that is everyday for a majority of muslim women. Why do non-muslims feel the need to make the hijab a big thing. If people stopped making such a big deal about something that is meant to protect a women's modesty and encourage people to see their intelligence and personality before their beauty, then the women that wear hijabs as part of their religion would stop being stared at in the street (which is, as I'm informed, apparently something that happens in America).
    hear hear!

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