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The lesson for Labour: The UK doesn't want socialism watch

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    (Original post by Ducklingz)
    Exactly. I've seen champagne socialists all over social media complaining about how 'selfish' and 'inhumane' people are for voting Conservative. When you grow up in a household where you can't spare a penny to help anyone else, you have to put yourself first. It is not being selfish, it is called survival. You can even think about helping anyone else when you can barely afford to feed yourself. Most of these left-wing complaining hippies telling us to get our Bupa health insurance at the ready have no idea what it's like fighting for everything you own.

    This is generalising but especially on university campuses, many people can afford to be left wing. Their parents have always been able to put food on the table for them and help the less fortunate. They have the money to spare to help everyone else without the flicker of an eyelid. Unfortunately for low income families this is not the case.
    We cannot afford socialism, by letting people sit on their backsides and make more than someone who goes out to work! A lot of Labours policies were terrible! i expected better.
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    Let's get rid of Scottland so that there's not even a remote possibility of them getting in again
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    In fact if the SNP is here to stay, fingers crossed, they won't anyway and we can keep the union. It's a win, win
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    (Original post by demx9)
    Every single election that was based around socialist ideals was crushed by the electorate.

    Labour need to understand this and go back being a center left party as it was during Blair's reign.
    Could not disagree more. Labour was too centrist on nearly every issue, and should have instead move leftwards to capitalise on the Green/SNP electorate.
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    (Original post by Yael)
    Could not disagree more. Labour was too centrist on nearly every issue, and should have instead move leftwards to capitalise on the Green/SNP electorate.
    Extreme leftists are a minority in this country, you can't win a GE on them.
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    (Original post by chocolate hottie)
    I did follow their campaign and I noticed plans for rent controls, energy price fixing, repeal of non dom status, a property wealth tax, and harsh anti business rhetoric with wealth creators stigmatised.

    Blair would have never contemplated such policies, knowing they are electoral poison in this largely right wing country.

    Don't listen to me listen to the man himself, last year:

    Miliband is too Left-wing to win election, says Blair in withering attack on Labour leader

    • Former prime minster has predicted Ed Miliband will lose general election
    • Issued most outspoken assessment of Labour leader to date in interview
    • Indicated he believes Mr Miliband has deserted political centre and made Labour a 'traditional Left-wing party' leaving the Tories likely to win
    • Labour’s lead in polls has evaporated - now neck-and-neck with the Tories

    Lol these are policies that many people voted for and liked.....

    The fear-mongering by tories about the snp and english nationalism caused labour to lose more than anything.......
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    (Original post by Yael)
    Could not disagree more. Labour was too centrist on nearly every issue, and should have instead move leftwards to capitalise on the Green/SNP electorate.
    They were doomed from the start, the snp was their downfall in England and Scotland......
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    (Original post by c_al)
    It has now been 36 years since the country has had a socialist government. At some point you just have to accept that it's not what Britain wants.
    The majority of people voted for socialist parties i.e. green, labour, snp and plaid so your point doesn't add up.
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    The UK doesn't want socialism argument was pretty much decided in the 1980s. The last time a genuinely socialist manifesto was put forward in a General Election by a Labour party was 1983. Miliband's version of Labour was left wing by modern standards but it wasn't advocating workers' control, large trade union power, nationalisation in fact the IFS analysis of their manifesto proposals suggested they weren't even advocating much in the way of spending different from Coalition spending.

    But there is a lesson that the further you go from the centre the more you become electorally irrelevant, and this is a trap that both the left and right fall in to - they constantly talk to the same type of person who reinforces their view and they think it's what the electorate wants when it doesn't.

    David Cameron is not right wing by any means. He's a Conservative leader yes but he's one that wants increased spending on nationalised health care, promoted gay marriage, has been talking about wanting the Conservative party to produce an Asian Prime Minister in his lifetime. This is hardly traditional Conservatism. When they were further to the right, under Hague, Iain Duncan-Smith and Howard, they were rejected by the electorate, it's only since the party reformed and moved to the centre that they have got back in. UKIP only got 1 seat and didn't make the advances in to Tory vote that people expected, because the UK electorate doesn't want right wing politics any more than it does socialism. Sure UKIP might talk about making advances, pushing their share of the vote to 20% or whatever but they are never going to get more than an ultra right version of the Conservative party would.

    Whichever party best straddles where the electorate are, is going to win. Currently that's Cameron's Conservatives. If, however, Labour elect a leader who takes the party more in the place it was under Blair, meanwhile the EU referendum comes along and Cameron recommends an "in" vote but there's a leadership challenge to get a right wing Eurosceptic leader, then the tables could turn.
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    (Original post by Ritterschaft)
    Let's get rid of Scottland so that there's not even a remote possibility of them getting in again
    Labour have never really needed scotland to get in....
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    Labour may have been to the left of where they used to be in this election, but they are still nowhere near socialist. They're a centre right party with a few policies that make them look socialist, when their core ideology and economic policies are basically Tory-lite.
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    (Original post by ridwan12)
    Labour have never really needed scotland to get in....
    Really? They didn't need 58 more seats to get a majority?
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    (Original post by Ritterschaft)
    Really? They didn't need 58 more seats to get a majority?
    This was a weird election and an anomaly, but they still wouldn't have got a majority with the SNP.
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    (Original post by ridwan12)
    This was a weird election and an anomaly, but they still wouldn't have got a majority with the SNP.
    They were obliterated in Wales aswel
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    (Original post by Ritterschaft)
    They were obliterated in Wales aswel
    LOOOOOOOOOL no they weren't......
    Their vote percentage went up by 1%....
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    There champagne socialists
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    (Original post by ridwan12)
    The majority of people voted for socialist parties i.e. green, labour, snp and plaid so your point doesn't add up.
    Wrong.

    Conservatives + UKIP + DUP + UUP = over 50% of the vote.

    Also, the Labour party cannot really be considered socialists any more since the arrival of Blair, and the SNP are just faux socialists who are more populist than socialist. The only true socialist parties are the greens and possibly Plaid, and they got hardly any votes.
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    (Original post by demx9)
    The UK doesn't want socialism
    The Green Party has garnered the support of almost 22% of voters, according to the VoteForPolicies website. Labour have almost 25% of the vote. Both are arguably socialist (to varying extents). Those results trump the rest of the parties - the Tories are sitting on an abysmal 15%.

    What does that tell you? Perhaps the UK does in fact want socialism (or at least more of it)?

    https://data.voteforpolicies.org.uk/...ntries/england
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    (Original post by Burridge)
    The Green Party has garnered the support of almost 22% of voters, according to the VoteForPolicies website. Labour have almost 25% of the vote. Both are arguably socialist (to varying extents). Those results trump the rest of the parties - the Tories are sitting on an abysmal 15%.

    What does that tell you? Perhaps the UK does in fact want socialism (or at least more of it)?

    https://data.voteforpolicies.org.uk/...ntries/england
    Does it not strike you as just slightly ridiculous to just discount the election we had three days ago, and rely on an unscientific website poll, with a completely unknown sample?

    Some might call that clutching at straws.
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    (Original post by Burridge)
    The Green Party has garnered the support of almost 22% of voters, according to the VoteForPolicies website. Labour have almost 25% of the vote. Both are arguably socialist (to varying extents). Those results trump the rest of the parties - the Tories are sitting on an abysmal 15%.

    What does that tell you? Perhaps the UK does in fact want socialism (or at least more of it)?

    https://data.voteforpolicies.org.uk/...ntries/england
    Are you basing an entire countries views on the data from one website ?

    The UK is a fundamentally conservative country, you just have to accept that
 
 
 

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