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    (Original post by Birkenhead)
    I wish I had the money to feed myself
    Maybe spend less time on TSR and more time working
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    Why would you want to pay over the odds for a house in the ar*e hole of nowhere? :confused:
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    (Original post by JC.)
    Why would you want to pay over the odds for a house in the ar*e hole of nowhere? :confused:
    Because in today's rentier economy it's the only way to meaningfully get rich.
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    (Original post by anonwinner)
    Maybe spend less time on TSR and more time working
    I see humour is not your strong point.
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    (Original post by anonwinner)
    Maybe spend less time on TSR and more time working
    LOL

    This has to be a wind up. Surely no one can be this much of a tit.

    I bet this is very embarrassing to medics and potential medics with some integrity!
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    (Original post by scrotgrot)
    Because in today's rentier economy it's the only way to meaningfully get rich.
    sounds like b/s to me...
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    How to get wealth

    * Inheritance
    * Force
    * Marry
    * Trade

    Hard work is required in the army, for trading and well marrying someone is quite hard work as well sometimes. The lazy inherit.

    The reality is wage earning is a crap way to earn money, it doesn't matter if you work 24/7 in a crap job, if you're not creating wealth your not going to get any, that's why you need to use your wages to create wealth. You need to invest, stamp out competition, get a bit lucky, and so on.

    Also not just money, all sorts of materials and services should be invented in.
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    (Original post by whorace)
    How to get wealth

    * Inheritance
    * Force
    * Marry
    * Trade

    Hard work is required in the army, for trading and well marrying someone is quite hard work as well sometimes. The lazy inherit.

    The reality is wage earning is a crap way to earn money, it doesn't matter if you work 24/7 in a crap job, if you're not creating wealth your not going to get any, that's why you need to use your wages to create wealth. You need to invest, stamp out competition, get a bit lucky, and so on.

    Also not just money, all sorts of materials and services should be invented in.
    You are creating wealth when you earn wages, it's just that our concept of ownership and property dictates that that wealth is appropriated by the capitalist. You are creating wealth for someone else.

    The most the capitalist does is release wealth into productive endeavour that was formerly being held out of the productive market, un- or at best underinvested.

    He deserves credit and returns for organising it in such a way that it is productive, but let's not pretend it's wealth creation, and let's not pretend he deserves to appropriate all wealth created by his workers and only give some back to them out of the kindness of his heart (hence why we have, say, such basic regulations as the minimum wage).

    The banks do the same thing just one level up.
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    (Original post by scrotgrot)
    You are creating wealth when you earn wages, it's just that our concept of ownership and property dictates that that wealth is appropriated by the capitalist. You are creating wealth for someone else.

    The most the capitalist does is release wealth into productive endeavour that was formerly being held out of the productive market, un- or at best underinvested.

    He deserves credit and returns for organising it in such a way that it is productive, but let's not pretend it's wealth creation, and let's not pretend he deserves to appropriate all wealth created by his workers and only give some back to them out of the kindness of his heart (hence why we have, say, such basic regulations as the minimum wage).

    The banks do the same thing just one level up.
    We both agree in principle though, do we not? that under the system of capitalism, it is not a measure of the amount of time one puts into labour, but the way one manipulates trade that makes someone wealthy.
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    (Original post by whorace)
    We both agree in principle though, do we not? that under the system of capitalism, it is not a measure of the amount of time one puts into labour, but the way one manipulates trade that makes someone wealthy.
    I really dislike capitalism a bit now as the owner will only get richer and the workers will get more drained and they will never gain much its sad how unfair capitalism is I don't like communism I kind of wish we had lower tax maybe I would like capitalism more
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    (Original post by Maria1812)
    I really dislike capitalism a bit now as the owner will only get richer and the workers will get more drained and they will never gain much its sad how unfair capitalism is I don't like communism I kind of wish we had lower tax maybe I would like capitalism more
    The thing with communism is, while more equal (that would be the point), it simply does not work, and therefore will make life far more miserable for most people than capitalism. Also there is very little stopping you from running your own business in capitalism.
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    (Original post by whorace)
    The thing with communism is, while more equal (that would be the point), it simply does not work, and therefore will make life far more miserable for most people than capitalism. Also there is very little stopping you from running your own business in capitalism.
    I know you are right but its hard and expensive to start a business and if i were to I would like to open a private medical practice with a range of specialists such as gastroenterologists and cardiologists or something like that do you think its realistic or do you need to be wealthy in order to have the money to open a private practice?
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    (Original post by Maria1812)
    I know you are right but its hard and expensive to start a business and if i were to I would like to open a private medical practice with a range of specialists such as gastroenterologists and cardiologists or something like that do you think its realistic or do you need to be wealthy in order to have the money to open a private practice?
    I don't know but I reckon it would take a lot of capital to invest to start a business like that, if you could convince someone to fund it for you, you might be able to do it.
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    (Original post by whorace)
    I don't know but I reckon it would take a lot of capital to invest to start a business like that, if you could convince someone to fund it for you, you might be able to do it.
    Thanks maybe have a business partner or two perhaps. I have heard that if we were truly capitalist we would have a low tax do you prefer to have more money because of lower tax but not have as much free stuff such as health care or education? Whats you opinion?Or high tax and get free healthcare and education
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    (Original post by Maria1812)
    Thanks maybe have a business partner or two perhaps. I have heard that if we were truly capitalist we would have a low tax do you prefer to have more money because of lower tax but not have as much free stuff such as health care or education? Whats you opinion?Or high tax and get free healthcare and education
    I think we need to invest in infrastructure wisely, low taxes will allow greater consumer spending and there is a need to devolve because centralization is not going to solve all of the problems in the modern world, I think we also have a duty to ensure there are insurance measures for the poor however.
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    (Original post by whorace)
    We both agree in principle though, do we not? that under the system of capitalism, it is not a measure of the amount of time one puts into labour, but the way one manipulates trade that makes someone wealthy.
    Yep I just think it's a stupid system that has been designed to keep us all down, but I realise there are other arguments that it leverages human greed vs. laziness better than say workers' co-operatives would.
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    (Original post by Maria1812)
    I know you are right but its hard and expensive to start a business and if i were to I would like to open a private medical practice with a range of specialists such as gastroenterologists and cardiologists or something like that do you think its realistic or do you need to be wealthy in order to have the money to open a private practice?
    Medical specialists would demand very high wages, you will not be able to raise the capital. Best to go into partnership directly and split the profits with them. Generally speaking it would be better to concentrate your practice on one speciality or area of medicine on the principle of economic specialisation rather than having a bit here and a bit there.

    It is not an original business idea at all, so unless the consultants had some epic USP like curing cancer or having made page one of the Lancet for twelve months running, you would expect returns to be tiny, but given the unique situation in this country with impending "liberalisation" of health there are probably gains to be had in coming decades.
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    (Original post by scrotgrot)
    Medical specialists would demand very high wages, you will not be able to raise the capital. Best to go into partnership directly and split the profits with them. Generally speaking it would be better to concentrate your practice on one speciality or area of medicine on the principle of economic specialisation rather than having a bit here and a bit there.

    It is not an original business idea at all, so unless the consultants had some epic USP like curing cancer or having made page one of the Lancet for twelve months running, you would expect returns to be tiny, but given the unique situation in this country with impending "liberalisation" of health there are probably gains to be had in coming decades.
    Well many prefer private health care including me the doctors usually are more knowledgeable as each time i go to NHS I am often diagnosed using a book and when I had blood tests privately I got results the same day when i did it by NHS it took more then a week also private health care is usually better at treating cancer as its quicker and the diagnosis is fast while for the referral to a specialist is so long and even seeing the gp is a long wait so there is no comparison with the quality of health care you get.But many people can't afford but if you could afford going private all the time then I would not think twice whether to go to nhs or a private clinic
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    (Original post by Maria1812)
    Well many prefer private health care including me the doctors usually are more knowledgeable as each time i go to NHS I am often diagnosed using a book and when I had blood tests privately I got results the same day when i did it by NHS it took more then a week also private health care is usually better at treating cancer as its quicker and the diagnosis is fast while for the referral to a specialist is so long and even seeing the gp is a long wait so there is no comparison with the quality of health care you get.But many people can't afford but if you could afford going private all the time then I would not think twice whether to go to nhs or a private clinic
    That's not the point
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    Stop spending money on private healthcare, expensive shops, and stop saving for a house in central London. You will find that you have a lot more money to spend on your family then.
 
 
 

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