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    It's only logical that America is ISIS.

    Who created Al-Qaeda? America
    Who? President Ronald Reagan (in partnership with congress)
    When? 1979
    Why? To fight the Soviet Army that was invading Afghanistan to contain Soviet Influence in Asia
    How? They hired people in the name of 'Islam' as Mujahadeen to fight for Afghanistan


    Since the US created Al-Qaeda, nobody is held responsible for Al-Qaeda's actions except the American Government themselves.
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    (Original post by Faisalshamallakh)
    It's only logical that America is ISIS.

    Who created Al-Qaeda? America
    Who? President Ronald Reagan (in partnership with congress)
    When? 1979
    Why? To fight the Soviet Army that was invading Afghanistan to contain Soviet Influence in Asia
    How? They hired people in the name of 'Islam' as Mujahadeen to fight for Afghanistan


    Since the US created Al-Qaeda, nobody is held responsible for Al-Qaeda's actions except the American Government themselves.

    The mujhadeen and Al-Qaeda were not by any stretch of the imagination the same, different organisations with vastly different goals. The us did not create either group.

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    (Original post by Aj12)
    The mujhadeen and Al-Qaeda were not by any stretch of the imagination the same, different organisations with vastly different goals. The us did not create either group.

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    As you should know. ISIS is a branch of Al-Qaeda. You cannot deny that the US created Al-Qaeda, because you are denying history. Do you want to hear it from the Secretary of State herself? Here you go...



    Go on, tell me that she's wrong. Someone of her level in Government would have known more than all of us. So please. Don't be quick to deny.
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    (Original post by Faisalshamallakh)
    As you should know. ISIS is a branch of Al-Qaeda. You cannot deny that the US created Al-Qaeda, because you are denying history. Do you want to hear it from the Secretary of State herself? Here you go...



    Go on, tell me that she's wrong. Someone of her level in Government would have known more than all of us. So please. Don't be quick to deny.
    Well firstly, all she refers to is "they", who is she talking about? al Qaeda or the Taliban? Since elements of the later came from the Mujhadeen. al Qaeda did not even exist until 1988, right before the end of the Soviet Afghan War. You can also find testimonials from ISI officers who claimed that the US had very little say about where money sent to Afghanistan actually went. They claim Pakistan had most of the say in who got what.

    Secondly funding and creation are two vastly different things. Even if US money did end up in the hands of some who became al Qaeda and the Taliban there is miles of difference from that to creation.

    Thirdly Hilary Clinton is not exactly a vast resource of truth, given her ability to remember events that never happened and some of her bizarre behaviour whilst in office. This is a very short video and she has vastly simplified much of what went on. Amazing how no one trusts the Americans till they say the things people want them to, then its belief without question.

    . Fourthly ISIS is not a branch of al Qaeda, whilst they once were tied and had links they certainty do not today.
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    (Original post by CycleofSpin)
    Equipment is not being supplied t these groups but they have American guns when everyone knows it's not left behind arms. The protocol for discarded weapons is to disable them after a conflict.

    How does this ethos of not working with terrorist organisations work when western governments support organisations aligned to terrorist organisations. Surely that depends on whose deduction of terrorist we are talking about.
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    Just saying that "the protocol for discarded weapons is to disable them after a conflict" doesn't make it true. After the Iraq war the USA armed the Iraqi army extremely well with new/used equipment of their own. They didn't just forget about it, they gave it to them. Since then there has also been the arms sale between USA and Iraq that gave them further access to American equipment. When ISIS first appeared, whole units of Iraqi soldiers fled and literally abandoned guns, vehicles etc. behind them. Thus as ISIS overran Iraqi positions they got hold of American Equipment.

    ???? Western governments are not supplying arms to terrorists in Syria or Iraq! The USA has supplied equipment to the Kurds (the one group that didn't rout in the face of ISIS) and moderate rebel groups (such as those in the FSA who have stated they are enemies of Al Nusra even though they too are trying to topple Assad).
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    (Original post by Aj12)
    Well firstly, all she refers to is "they", who is she talking about? al Qaeda or the Taliban? Since elements of the later came from the Mujhadeen. al Qaeda did not even exist until 1988, right before the end of the Soviet Afghan War. You can also find testimonials from ISI officers who claimed that the US had very little say about where money sent to Afghanistan actually went. They claim Pakistan had most of the say in who got what.

    Secondly funding and creation are two vastly different things. Even if US money did end up in the hands of some who became al Qaeda and the Taliban there is miles of difference from that to creation.

    Thirdly Hilary Clinton is not exactly a vast resource of truth, given her ability to remember events that never happened and some of her bizarre behaviour whilst in office. This is a very short video and she has vastly simplified much of what went on. Amazing how no one trusts the Americans till they say the things people want them to, then its belief without question.

    . Fourthly ISIS is not a branch of al Qaeda, whilst they once were tied and had links they certainty do not today.
    Who else is "they"? Well it can't be the Chinese because I don't recall the Chinese fighting the Soviet Union in Afghanistan. So obviously "they" is Al-Qaeda. You can feel free to watch the entire video if you want. But theres another video where she spoke in an interview and confirmed her beliefs. And if what she is saying is incorrect as you say, when she made these statements she would have been shouted down or even criticised for these 'outragous' beliefs if you like.

    She even refers to hiring Mujahadeen from countries such as Saudi Arabia, and equipping them with the American weapons.

    You are right, creation may not necessarily be linked to creation. However the creation of Al-Qaeda by the US (irrespective of their disagreements today) is the responsibility of the USA.

    Isn't it ironic that the ONLY so-called 'Muslims' that believe in the destruction of America are the ones that were created by the Americans themselves?

    And maybe since ISIS & Al-Qaeda split, there may not be a relation between the two. But that doesn't mean the same Anti-American, Anti-Westernisation ideologies were not imported from Al-Qaeda during the split. In fact they split over competition. The beliefs are the same.

    And then America funded the Syrian Rebels (whom many were Al-Qaeda affiliated before they split), which were the same people they were fighting in Iraq, and still fighting in Afghanistan till this day.
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    (Original post by CycleofSpin)
    A CIA program called Operation Cyclone Channeled funds through Pakistan's Inter-Services Intelligence agency to the Afghan Mujahideen who were fighting the Soviet occupation.[106]

    http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?...e_view_desktop




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    The mujahideen aren't AQ.

    Never really been aware of any of the Peshawar seven being linked with AQ.

    The nearest you'll get to linking the mujahideen to AQ is through Hekmatyar Gulbudding and HiG and even that's a very spurious link.

    ISI are quite adamnent that US never actively trained the mujahideen.


    Bear trap is a good read.

    http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bear_trap
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    (Original post by Shaughney)
    Just saying that "the protocol for discarded weapons is to disable them after a conflict" doesn't make it true. After the Iraq war the USA armed the Iraqi army extremely well with new/used equipment of their own. They didn't just forget about it, they gave it to them. Since then there has also been the arms sale between USA and Iraq that gave them further access to American equipment. When ISIS first appeared, whole units of Iraqi soldiers fled and literally abandoned guns, vehicles etc. behind them. Thus as ISIS overran Iraqi positions they got hold of American Equipment.

    ???? Western governments are not supplying arms to terrorists in Syria or Iraq! The USA has supplied equipment to the Kurds (the one group that didn't rout in the face of ISIS) and moderate rebel groups (such as those in the FSA who have stated they are enemies of Al Nusra even though they too are trying to topple Assad).
    Abu Yusaf, a high-level commander of Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant(ISIL), said in August 2014, that many of the FSA members who had been trained by United States’ and Turkish and Arab military officers were now actually joining ISIL. "In the East of Syria, there is no Free Syrian Army any longer. All Free Syrian Army people [there] have joined the Islamic State," he said.[76]


    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_Syrian_Army



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    (Original post by Faisalshamallakh)
    Who else is "they"? Well it can't be the Chinese because I don't recall the Chinese fighting the Soviet Union in Afghanistan. So obviously "they" is Al-Qaeda. You can feel free to watch the entire video if you want. But theres another video where she spoke in an interview and confirmed her beliefs. And if what she is saying is incorrect as you say, when she made these statements she would have been shouted down or even criticised for these 'outragous' beliefs if you like.

    She even refers to hiring Mujahadeen from countries such as Saudi Arabia, and equipping them with the American weapons.

    You are right, creation may not necessarily be linked to creation. However the creation of Al-Qaeda by the US (irrespective of their disagreements today) is the responsibility of the USA.

    Isn't it ironic that the ONLY so-called 'Muslims' that believe in the destruction of America are the ones that were created by the Americans themselves?

    And maybe since ISIS & Al-Qaeda split, there may not be a relation between the two. But that doesn't mean the same Anti-American, Anti-Westernisation ideologies were not imported from Al-Qaeda during the split. In fact they split over competition. The beliefs are the same.

    And then America funded the Syrian Rebels (whom many were Al-Qaeda affiliated before they split), which were the same people they were fighting in Iraq, and still fighting in Afghanistan till this day.
    Yes it is far more likely they were funding al Qaeda, an organisation that did not exist until 1988, rather than the Mujhadeen,....

    The Mujhadeen are not al Qaeda. I really do not see why you cannot understand this?

    Sure if you want to argue in a roundabout way that through its policies in the region the US contributed to the creation of al Qaeda. But you are saying the US directly created al Qaeda, obviously it did not.

    The Syrian rebels are very ismilar to the Mujhadeen, dozens of groups with different ideologies and outcomes and tactics. The US funded moderate groups, not the more extreme ones. There is no single Syrian rebel group, everyone seems to miss this simple fact. Hell ISIS spends a large chunk of its time fighting other groups, whilst being left alone by the Assad government
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    (Original post by CycleofSpin)
    Abu Yusaf, a high-level commander of Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant(ISIL), said in August 2014, that many of the FSA members who had been trained by United States’ and Turkish and Arab military officers were now actually joining ISIL. "In the East of Syria, there is no Free Syrian Army any longer. All Free Syrian Army people [there] have joined the Islamic State," he said.[76]
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_Syrian_Army

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    So, it still doesn't mean the USA is actively going out of its way to equip terrorist groups. Also there are still Kurdish regions + rebel regions in the West that can benefit from arms equipment to fight ISIS.
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    It was the Jews

    Conspiracy lunatics are some of the most cringeworthy people on the planet.
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    (Original post by KimKallstrom)
    It was the Jews

    Conspiracy lunatics are some of the most cringeworthy people on the planet.
    You may have hit the nail on the head. The op is denying the holocaust happened on another thread.
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    (Original post by MatureStudent36)
    Wow you really are a loon.

    New world order, holocaust denial and now CIA training iSIS.

    Was 9/11 an inside job?
    We did arm the "rebels" which turned out to be terrorists

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    (Original post by Aj12)
    The mujhadeen and Al-Qaeda were not by any stretch of the imagination the same, different organisations with vastly different goals. The us did not create either group.

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    They are pretty much the same organisation, even down to the same people

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    (Original post by MatureStudent36)
    The mujahideen aren't AQ.

    Never really been aware of any of the Peshawar seven being linked with AQ.

    The nearest you'll get to linking the mujahideen to AQ is through Hekmatyar Gulbudding and HiG and even that's a very spurious link.

    ISI are quite adamnent that US never actively trained the mujahideen.


    Bear trap is a good read.

    http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bear_trap
    Al-qaeda was comprised of ex mujahadee

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    Mostly captured from the Iraqi army.
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    (Original post by ESPORTIVA)
    They are pretty much the same organisation, even down to the same people

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    Not even remotely. The Mujhadeen were focused on Afghanistan and made up of a number of very different groups. They were primarily from the region. Bin Laden himself organised foreign fighters to come and fight in Afghanistan, and later formed al Qaeda out of this. His group achieved little and was very small. Just by referring to the Mujhadeen as an organisation is a huge simplification of what it was. It was more an umbrella organisation, not some sort of functioning army.

    I get this is a complex conflict and a difficult one to understand but too many people automatically assume that it was a simple two sided conflict, Mujhadeen, as some sort of singular army vs Soviets. The reality is far more complex
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    (Original post by ESPORTIVA)
    Al-qaeda was comprised of ex mujahadee

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    Non of the mujaheddin leadership was though.
 
 
 

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