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    Yvette Cooper
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    Andy Burnham
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    Liz Kendall
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    Jeremy Corbyn
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    (Original post by Plagioclase)
    Corbyn, without a doubt. He's the only hope we have of preventing the political centre from continuing to drift towards the right. Perhaps he doesn't have the greatest chance of winning Labour the election (although who knows what will happen in 5 years time) but it's not just about winning elections. A Corbyn-led Labour party would actually pose a meaningful opposition to the Conservative Party in opposition for the next 5 years and might help the British Public to remember that Corbyn's policies are not, in fact, extreme. The principle reason why there's so much rabid hatred against Corbyn is that he is a direct challenge to the leading political and financial establishment of the last few decades which has ingeniously managed to persuade the public that anything other than continuing to sell public property to private initiatives is economic suicide - which is a complete and utter lie.
    You do recognise that if you make the choice between the tories and the 1970's, people will just vote Tory, right? If Corbyn wins, it'll make the 2020 election campaign the easiest ever fought. Even I could be the Tory party's spindoctor/election strategist - I just have to present weak, straw man arguments to the electorate, like these:

    Wants to increase taxation for middle income earners
    Wants to devalue the pound to fund pet projects with printed money
    Wants to strongly return to a mantra of irresponsibly spending more money than we make
    Wants to negotiate with terrorists
    Wants to pour more money into benefit claimant's pockets
    Wants to put small enterprises out of business
    Wants to dissuade investment in private sector jobs in the UK
    Wants to give the unions more freedom
    Wants to open the doors to immigrants
    etc. etc. etc.

    I haven't studied his politics in detail and frankly, I have little intent to. He's a scruffy, unstatesmanlike, socialist ideologue. But I've just plucked these unqualified straw man arguments out of the tidbits of policy that I read in the press and that's more than enough to make any middle class swing voter say - **** that.

    You don't push the agenda to the left by fronting a socialist candidate with socialist policies. You simply galvanise the right. Try again in 2025. Start thinking with your heads, for a change.
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    (Original post by Mad Vlad)
    Ed Balls is actually quite an intelligent chap. He was let down by consequence of being so closely associated with Milibland's unelectable ticket.
    Balls was one of the biggest reasons Labour lost so badly.

    He should of attack the Tories austerity policies, instead he endorsed Osborne's policies.

    Then came up with ridiculous austerity lite.
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    (Original post by TheCasual MK2)
    Balls was one of the biggest reasons Labour lost so badly.

    He should of attack the Tories austerity policies, instead he endorsed Osborne's policies.

    Then came up with ridiculous austerity lite.
    Balls was hampered by Miliband's weak leadership. He spent 4 years floundering on a "just say the opposite of what the tories say" policy, and as the economy recovered as it has, it catastrophically damaged the party's credibility. By the end, it was apparent that the public felt that Labour's credibility on the economy was in the toilet and that most people realised that while austerity sucks, it's somewhat necessary, so they came up with austerity lite, which on paper sounds lovely, but it was way too late - the policy was wishy washy and nobody had any trust in its execution.
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    Labour needs to return to socialiam and it will do so with corbyn.
    wtf is a liz kendal fkin tory snake in lipstick
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    (Original post by vis break)
    Labour needs to return to socialiam and it will do so with corbyn.
    wtf is a liz kendal fkin tory snake in lipstick
    ...and the country will say "that's nice", and vote Tory.
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    (Original post by Mad Vlad)
    You do recognise that if you make the choice between the tories and the 1970's, people will just vote Tory, right? If Corbyn wins, it'll make the 2020 election campaign the easiest ever fought. Even I could be the Tory party's spindoctor/election strategist - I just have to present weak, straw man arguments to the electorate, like these:

    Wants to increase taxation for middle income earners
    Wants to devalue the pound to fund pet projects with printed money
    Wants to strongly return to a mantra of irresponsibly spending more money than we make
    Wants to negotiate with terrorists
    Wants to pour more money into benefit claimant's pockets
    Wants to put small enterprises out of business
    Wants to dissuade investment in private sector jobs in the UK
    Wants to give the unions more freedom
    Wants to open the doors to immigrants
    etc. etc. etc.

    I haven't studied his politics in detail and frankly, I have little intent to. He's a scruffy, unstatesmanlike, socialist ideologue. But I've just plucked these unqualified straw man arguments out of the tidbits of policy that I read in the press and that's more than enough to make any middle class swing voter say - **** that.

    You don't push the agenda to the left by fronting a socialist candidate with socialist policies. You simply galvanise the right. Try again in 2025. Start thinking with your heads, for a change.
    This is what you don't seem to understand. At least with Jeremy Corbyn, there's an actual alternative to the Conservative Party, an alternative with a meaningful difference. If Labour continues to drift towards the right in its quest to become the Conservative Party 2.0, it might win an election but so what? It no longer supports any of the things that its supporters want it to support. If the right has genuinely won the battle through blatant lies then that's an absolute tragedy but at least there's some vague hope of an alternative with a genuinely left-wing Labour, otherwise there won't be a reason for Labour to exist for much longer. On top of that, a move towards the left would be a chance for the Labour party to unite the left, to reabsorb members who have defected to the Green Party and the SNP, rather than trying its hardest to alienate its strongest supporters.
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    (Original post by Plagioclase)
    This is what you don't seem to understand. At least with Jeremy Corbyn, there's an actual alternative to the Conservative Party, an alternative with a meaningful difference. If Labour continues to drift towards the right in its quest to become the Conservative Party 2.0, it might win an election but so what? It no longer supports any of the things that its supporters want it to support. If the right has genuinely won the battle through blatant lies then that's an absolute tragedy but at least there's some vague hope of an alternative with a genuinely left-wing Labour, otherwise there won't be a reason for Labour to exist for much longer. On top of that, a move towards the left would be a chance for the Labour party to unite the left, to reabsorb members who have defected to the Green Party and the SNP, rather than trying its hardest to alienate its strongest supporters.
    The point is that the reason the centre ground is where is it is because that's what most voters support. You don't encourage people to vote for a party if your policies are unpopular. Yes, your beloved party will be more representative of your views, but who gives a ****. If you're not in power, you'll just be represented by a party that's permanently stuck on the right hand side of the chamber,
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    In ten minutes listening to Caroline Lucas (Green Party's first MP) on Saturday I heard more sense than I would get in a day from any Labour or Conservative politician. Jeremy Corbyn is going to win I expect, which will at least mean there will be a difference between the two largest parties, and the 'they are all the same' comments will go away.
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    (Original post by Mad Vlad)
    The point is that the reason the centre ground is where is it is because that's what most voters support. You don't encourage people to vote for a party if your policies are unpopular. Yes, your beloved party will be more representative of your views, but who gives a ****. If you're not in power, you'll just be represented by a party that's permanently stuck on the right hand side of the chamber,
    The only reason why most voters support that is because they have been taught over the past few decades that these are the policies they have to support, otherwise they will face financial ruin. It is a lie and it is bullying at the highest level. For some ridiculous reason, the Labour Party has never genuinely refuted these crazy lies so gradually, as the Conservatives have repeated lies like "The Labour Party caused the financial crisis by overspending", people have accepted them as truths. The answer to this bullying isn't to give up and give away every principle you stand for, but to fight as hard as you possibly can to undo the damage the right has done and to shift the centre back to the actual centre. I don't understand why you think that people should give up everything they believe in, in the face of lies and foul play.

    I very much doubt you'd be so happily giving away the things you care about if it were your values under attack.
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    (Original post by Mad Vlad)
    ...and the country will say "that's nice", and vote Tory.
    You don't know that?

    We couldn't even predict a Tory majority a day before the results, so how the heck can we predict what will happen in 5 years time. The working class will be the ones voting for Corbyn, not the upper class, as they obviously don't want to be more socialist.
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    (Original post by Jack1066)
    You don't know that?

    We couldn't even predict a Tory majority a day before the results, so how the heck can we predict what will happen in 5 years time. The working class will be the ones voting for Corbyn, not the upper class, as they obviously don't want to be more socialist.
    We could predict a Tory majority a day before the results, the pollsters just refused to come to that conclusion because they didn't want to run the risk of looking silly. And if there really will be such a massive swing to Corbyn could you please explain why Miliband didn't win? After all, if somebody to the left of Miliband would win with a landslide then surely Miliband should have too, after all, not only would he have had the lefties but also more of the centrists. Oh, wait, that is to be ignored because it runs contrary to the conclusion you want.
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    (Original post by Mad Vlad)
    ...and the country will say "that's nice", and vote Tory.
    yea unfortunately. I laugh at those articles saying the uk is becoming more left wing
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    (Original post by Jammy Duel)
    We could predict a Tory majority a day before the results, the pollsters just refused to come to that conclusion because they didn't want to run the risk of looking silly. And if there really will be such a massive swing to Corbyn could you please explain why Miliband didn't win? After all, if somebody to the left of Miliband would win with a landslide then surely Miliband should have too, after all, not only would he have had the lefties but also more of the centrists. Oh, wait, that is to be ignored because it runs contrary to the conclusion you want.
    Miliband had differing ideologies to Corbyn. Daily Mail and the Sun just kept blasting him in the lead up to the election, just trying to make him look like an idiot to deter voters from choosing him. FFS, just posting an article on how he eats a bloody hot dog isn't right. The other leaders were nowhere near the level of scrutinisation that Miliband received. Leaders also have to be likeable, and Miliband was not really that charismatic either, which is an important trait.

    I don't think Corbyn will win in a landslide but I'm not discounting the possibility of him being elected. Its silly to make a prediction like that 5 years before the election, anything could happen in that time to change people's views.
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    (Original post by Jack1066)
    Miliband had differing ideologies to Corbyn. Daily Mail and the Sun just kept blasting him in the lead up to the election, just trying to make him look like an idiot to deter voters from choosing him. FFS, just posting an article on how he eats a bloody hot dog isn't right. The other leaders were nowhere near the level of scrutinisation that Miliband received. Leaders also have to be likeable, and Miliband was not really that charismatic either, which is an important trait.

    I don't think Corbyn will win in a landslide but I'm not discounting the possibility of him being elected. Its silly to make a prediction like that 5 years before the election, anything could happen in that time to change people's views.
    Wait, so the highly read papers won't slam Corbyn? Miliband had much more centrist ideologies than Corbyn, the ones that win elections. If Corbyn wins there will probably be a massive slump in the polls for Labour and he will be out either next September or the year after. Having just gone and had a look at some of the polling though, I'm not sure if he even will win given that they show him well down from his 53% high, wasn't even at 40% a couple of weeks back.
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    To the guys who think Corbyn has no chance in 2020: you are wrong.

    That is all.
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    (Original post by Jammy Duel)
    Corbyn should have been given 2 options, one for right wingers wanting him to screw over 2020 Labour, and one for people who genuinely want him to win.
    this is what i did
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    I'm just going to sit back, drink my tea, and watch Labour implode.
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    (Original post by CoolCavy)
    nobody tbh :indiff: they are all as bad as each other (just as every mp and pm is imo)
    Are you racist ?
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    (Original post by demx9)
    Are you racist ?
    no why u say that just bc i don't like any policticians. i resent the alligation quite frankly
 
 
 
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