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    (Original post by Melonlemon)
    You can have food and drink. There's no debate over that, it's a basic necessity of life.

    I'm guessing that you think everyone else in the world is an A class moron for understanding politics and you're the only one who isn't? You might want to think about what that really means for a while before cracking on!
    No, most people who talk about politics in an intelligent manner don't talk about "left wing" and "right wing" at all. They simply talk about the various ideological moral frameworks and the relatives merits of the different policies.
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    (Original post by Melonlemon)
    I have to disagree with you here I'm afraid. Freedom of speech and choice is far from labour's agenda. For instance, Ed Miliband was adamant he was going to jail people for even mentioning islam critically if he became PM. Freedom of speech is a right wing policy, definitely not a left wing.

    Freedom of choice is also right wing. Right wing believes in free markets and competition - with that comes freedom of choice. I believe you included something to do with free markets in your post anyway - free markets = freedom of choice. If we want something that's made in China we can buy it, or from Israel, or from anywhere in the world. Right wing sees this as healthy and supports our freedom to the death.
    Left wing =/= 'what labour party does'

    Freedom of speech is a concept that gets support on both left and right. Utlimitly these "debates" always come down to "my team is better than your team".
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    (Original post by cole-slaw)
    No, most people who talk about politics in an intelligent manner don't talk about "left wing" and "right wing" at all. They simply talk about the various ideological moral frameworks and the relatives merits of the different policies.
    All policies are somewhere on the political scale. There's no getting away from it.
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    (Original post by ChaoticButterfly)
    Left wing =/= 'what labour party does'

    Freedom of speech is a concept that gets support on both left and right. Utlimitly these "debates" always come down to "my team is better than your team".
    Discussing of politics isn't about competition between two teams, it's about the pros and cons of each policy. The only competition is the one leading up to the general election. I agree they argue like big kids in the HoC but it's not a case of the best team wins at all. You're giving politicians too little credit imo.
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    (Original post by Melonlemon)
    Discussing of politics isn't about competition between two teams, it's about the pros and cons of each policy. The only competition is the one leading up to the general election. I agree they argue like big kids in the HoC but it's not a case of the best team wins at all. You're giving politicians too little credit imo.
    You misunderstand.

    You said labour under Ed advocated policies that undermine freedom of speech as if that justifies the entirety of the left being against free speech which objectively isn't true and then went on to say that 'the right' is the supporter of free speech. It was like the words of a true partisan that just does everything to score political points between rival factions in a parliament or between two simplistic to the point fo useless definitions or left and right wing. There is little evidence to show an objective analysis has been attempted or that the person knows enough to form one.

    Freedom of speech is neither inherently a right wing or left wing concept. For example you could be arrested by the government in either Soviet Russia (left) or by Pinochet's Junta (right) for saying the wrong things.
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    (Original post by ChaoticButterfly)
    You misunderstand.

    You said labour under Ed advocated policies that undermine freedom of speech as if that justifies the entirety of the left being against free speech which objectively isn't true and then went on to say that 'the right' is the supporter of free speech. It was like the words of a true partisan that just does everything to score political points between rival factions in a parliament or between two simplistic to the point fo useless definitions or left and right wing.

    Freedom of speech in neither inherently a right wing or left wing concept. For example you could be arrested by the government in either Soviet Russia (left) or by Pinochet's Junta (right) for saying the wrong things.
    If that's how you want to see it then it's fine by me. Just look at socialist states where people are oppressed, kept poor, pay a month's wages for a macdonalds, have little freedom and little choice and you'll be where I am. They're a more extreme version of left wing than we have but socialism is still socialism, it's just to what degree. You chose Junta as an example of right wing although it's best described as fascism rather than conservative.
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    Please read my entire post and them come to a conclusion again.

    Also the fact that labour doesn't support it doesn't mean anything, Labour aren't really a left party anyhow, they are more or less centre

    (Original post by Melonlemon)
    I have to disagree with you here I'm afraid. Freedom of speech and choice is far from labour's agenda. For instance, Ed Miliband was adamant he was going to jail people for even mentioning islam critically if he became PM. Freedom of speech is a right wing policy, definitely not a left wing.

    Freedom of choice is also right wing. Right wing believes in free markets and competition - with that comes freedom of choice. I believe you included something to do with free markets in your post anyway - free markets = freedom of choice. If we want something that's made in China we can buy it, or from Israel, or from anywhere in the world. Right wing sees this as healthy and supports our freedom to the death.
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    (Original post by Melonlemon)
    All policies are somewhere on the political scale. There's no getting away from it.
    There is no political scale.
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    (Original post by cole-slaw)
    There is no political scale.
    Ok, have it your way. I will call it political spectrum from now on but it's basically the same thing https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_spectrum
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