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    (Original post by LockHeedS)
    It isn't only ISIS that's the problem.


    Scores of groups with different motives.

    Get rid of ISIS and Syria becomes an Iraninan-owned country. That will bring its own problems and new conflicts.
    While it's not desirable, surely an "Iranian-owned country" would be better for international relations and the people living there? Iran is becoming slightly more moderate and is slowly co-operating with the west (despite their dictatorship).
    I'd rather Syria be like Iran than Syria be like it is now, with thousands of terrorists murdering, destroying and raping their way across the country.

    (Original post by zippity.doodah)
    oh wow, is it really that easy? oh boy...!
    ISIS are guerillas. you can't find guerillas easily. that's the strength of guerilla armies. flooding in troops and armies would just get citizens there killed more often. that's what happened in vietnam, after all. and just like 'nam, sending a butt-load of troops and vehicles will probably cause a spillage into neighbouring countries in some way. also, why is it our responsibility to clean up the middle east? especially syria. iraq I might partly understand, and afghanistan, because we've been involved there, but in general, we shouldn't be involved *anywhere* militarily



    yeah. arming rebels has always worked out *great* in the middle east...
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    why should we? what do we as a nation state have to gain? what a collosal waste of money, not just for us, but for all these other countries that you're suggesting should be involved to spill blood! both their own men's blood and foreign citizens' blood!



    again, they're guerillas. why do you think afghanistan has been the longest war in the last century?



    why should we? what does a dictatorship like syria have to do with britain?
    Because millions of refugees are flooding out of Syria into Europe and we are expected by the lefties to take them. Our infrastructure and land cannot support more people, so we must "fix up" Syria so the refugees can return to live there.
    While it's not our fault as such, we need to go in and sort things out for our own national security. It's a breeding ground for terrorist scum that can come and attack us and the rest of the world!

    While civilian casualties are unfortunate, if they aren't killed accidentally by us then they'll be killed by ISIS. They're leaving in the millions anyway!

    (Original post by RFowler)
    You're understating the role of air strikes. It has been shown on numerous occasions (mostly by the Kurdish groups, but occasionally by the Iraqi government) that air strikes with a reliable ground force can be very effective at forcing ISIS out.

    The Peshmerga (Iraq) and YPG (mostly Syria) have pushed ISIS away from the Kurdish areas, but they will never go too far into the Sunni Arab areas. The Iraqi government has had mixed results, but they have successfully taken back some towns.

    In Syria, we oppose Assad's government (so don't back them with air strikes to fight ISIS) but there is no "moderate" rebel force strong enough. The Iraqi government has had mixed results as I said, but they are struggling. So we don't really have a decent ground force for the Sunni Arab areas - THAT is where the problem lies, not with the air strikes. Air strikes with a decent ground force can work brilliantly.
    So we need to work with a proper ground force - primarily the Iraqi and Iranian governments.

    (Original post by Betelgeuse-)
    1) And once Isis have been eradicated whom do you hand power to? Bashar Assad, a dictatator who has no qualms gassing and bombing his own civilians?
    Al nusra front? Free Syrian Army?

    How do you think the millions of muslims in the UK and western countries will react when one of our bombs goes astray and takes out 20 civilian muslims? Do you think they will understand or will this further their resentment of the West and increase support for ISIS whilst hundreds of thousands of Muslims march on the streets of London with placards inciting to kill British Police and Army?



    2) We and America have tried this.. it doesnt work... they continue to collect their wages and as soon as a handful of ISIS turn up, drop millions of pounds worth of weapons and equipment and run. ISIS then get the weapons and grow in power.
    http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/isi...rs-run-n267261

    3) We already do this

    You are right, we cannot take in any refugees just like we cannot sort out the ****hole that is the middle east. The middle east im afraid needs Tyrants and dictators like Gaddafi to keep the Islamist militants in check
    We can't just give up. Syria and Iraq are now breeding terrorist scum that attack us.
    Frankly these civilians would be killed by ISIS anyway. We need to stop pandering to the Muslims - if they incite hatred and death against our police and army, they get kicked out of the country. Their country should be more important than their "brothers".

    (Original post by ByAnyMeansϟϟ)
    How about stop training Syrian rebels and help Assad and Iran fight ISIS?

    Iran is doing more to fight ISIS than anyone, while all America and even Britain seems to do is manage to accidentally deliver weapons to ISIS instead of people fighting them like Kurds


    Come on ISIS is being supported secretly to take out Assad and any other enemies the elite want taken out
    Assad is the lesser of two evils, but ultimately we need to work to topple him, eradicate ISIS, and work with the Iraqi and Iranian governments.

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    (Original post by phoenixsilver)
    While it's not desirable, surely an "Iranian-owned country" would be better for international relations and the people living there? Iran is becoming slightly more moderate and is slowly co-operating with the west (despite their dictatorship).
    I'd rather Syria be like Iran than Syria be like it is now, with thousands of terrorists murdering, destroying and raping their way across the country.
    in order to stage a military operation to dispose of the syrian leadership it would take billions, maybe trillions, of dollars/pounds, along with many lives probably lost. why should we waste our blood and money on a foreign country that has very little to do with our state or citizens? I just don't understand how you would think that it is the role and responsibility of our national government to control other world governments when they are not an active threat to our society - sure, dictators are mean people, but there are too many dictators out there - even china, a very influential country, is a dictatorship (and iran, like you said, although iran is worse) - we can't just do this kind of stuff - democracy is preferrable, but one country cannot force another country to become a democracy - that's not how revolutions/evolutions work and that's not how we should be spending our taxes - we should spend our tax money on our own interests - not other countries' interests. also, if you are saying we should remove assad, who exactly would realistically replace him? would there be free elections? that would probably create islamist parliaments - would there be a western puppet? that would probably piss off the inhabitants of syria, like what happened in iran in 1979, or cuba in 1959

    Because millions of refugees are flooding out of Syria into Europe and we are expected by the lefties to take them. Our infrastructure and land cannot support more people, so we must "fix up" Syria so the refugees can return to live there.
    While it's not our fault as such, we need to go in and sort things out for our own national security. It's a breeding ground for terrorist scum that can come and attack us and the rest of the world!
    have you seen the map which magnifies the sizes of countries based on their land to population ratios? the UK is one of the biggest countries on it. why can't other countries, for once in their existence, take some refugees, and not expect us to take them all? india could take a hell of a lot, so could china, so could japan, so could brazil, so could argentina - this isn't europe's mess - this is the middle east's responsibility - this came straight out of that area, and we did nothing to cause what is happening in syria. also, many countries are actually governed by terrorist scum, like saudi arabia and arguably iran - but are they a threat to us? was afghanistan *really* a threat to us? did they, as a nation, ever attack us/our allies like countless other countries in the last century?
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    In my view, the soldiers from all European countries should fight ISIS and Bashar el-Assad's army.
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    (Original post by phoenixsilver)
    1) Gather together the world's nations (not just us) - the UK, USA, Canada, Germany, France, Italy, Saudi Arabia, UAE, Japan, Israel etc. Then declare war on ISIS and launch a full scale invasion upon them, obliterate every last one of them (unlike the feeble airstrikes at the moment). I am talking about hundreds of thousands of soldiers, tanks, planes. It is essential to gain the military support of the Arab countries in this as the UK alone cannot do anything.

    2) Meanwhile, dedicate some of the military to training the Syrian men for fighting. Instead of letting them come to the UK and Germany etc., train them and supply them with arms so they can assist in reclaiming their country and freeing it.

    3) Dedicate billions into more refugee camps, food and water and more importantly, setting up homes and infrastructure in the freed Syria now ISIS have been eradicated. Again, must be a world effort.

    This isn't going to be fixed by some piddly airstrikes when there are thousands of these terrorists out there. At the same time, the military effort needs to be a shared responsibility - as the UK and US alone cannot again be left to sort things out.

    We CANNOT take the millions of incoming refugees into already full countries - so we should help the Syrians regain control so they can move back into their own country, rather than just trying to ignore the fact that military action is needed.
    This isn't doing anything about Assad. The war in Syria isn't Goodies vs Baddies. Supporting the Syrian national army would be collaborating with a regime that has used chemical weapons against its own people, it isn't exactly a brilliant alternative to ISIS. Any solution to the Syrian crisis is going to be a hell of a lot more complicated than "let's kill the bad guys and let the problem solve itself".
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    (Original post by Betelgeuse-)
    1) And once Isis have been eradicated whom do you hand power to? Bashar Assad, a dictatator who has no qualms gassing and bombing his own civilians?
    Al nusra front? Free Syrian Army?

    How do you think the millions of muslims in the UK and western countries will react when one of our bombs goes astray and takes out 20 civilian muslims? Do you think they will understand or will this further their resentment of the West and increase support for ISIS whilst hundreds of thousands of Muslims march on the streets of London with placards inciting to kill British Police and Army?



    2) We and America have tried this.. it doesnt work... they continue to collect their wages and as soon as a handful of ISIS turn up, drop millions of pounds worth of weapons and equipment and run. ISIS then get the weapons and grow in power.
    http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/isi...rs-run-n267261

    3) We already do this

    You are right, we cannot take in any refugees just like we cannot sort out the ****hole that is the middle east. The middle east im afraid needs Tyrants and dictators like Gaddafi to keep the Islamist militants in check
    2) 50,000 'ghost soldiers' WHAT A SHAME! Then how ISIS can be distroyed?!
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    Europe is flooded by Arabs (now also from Libya!). We should protect the white race. I'm NOT a racist, I don't want to offend anyone, but I don't want 'whites' to become minority in Europe! Look what can happen in the future (not so far from now, just 35 years!).

    http://blogs.channel4.com/factcheck/...-by-2050/13690

    The only way to prevent this is having more children! I know it's easier said than done, but we should do everything we can!

    PS. I do NOT mean to offend anyone, but there is a problem in the Western countries, like the UK:

    https://disqus.com/home/discussion/c..._by_2051/best/

    I am just afraid that the European civilisation is going to be endangered during OUR lives. I don't want us to be a minority on our continent!

    Many Muslim migrants are intolerant, as Betelgeuse showed. I'm afraid of my own life. Another thing is that the Police should react much stronger when there are cases of offending Christians in their own country, not only punish angry whites for offending Muslims! Look what they are allowed to do in this video.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wSsCCx2pVXo

    They were offending the Police. They should be punished for that.

    I would also suggest non-Muslims to check what Taqiyya is. You will understand why I am afraid of them.
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    ISIS threatens Angela Merkel, Germany and Austria! Read this!

    http://www.dw.com/en/islamic-state-p...ice/a-18631237

    Will anyone ever stop these terrorists?!
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    EU and NATO are partially to blame for these crisis


    But the Left and Right wing governments support it


    Only some of the Far-Left are critical of NATO and the EU like Corbyn

    Also the Far-Right know too well that this would cause a migrant crisis and of course don't want them here

    Nobody ever listens to people's warnings

    This was all planned long ago

    CAMP OF SAINTS go look it up
 
 
 
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