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    Corbyn is Stalin on steroids
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    (Original post by MatureStudent36)
    The UK already has a high wage economy.

    Were you not too bothered about the lies they printed in it?
    Sorry I disagree your view that the UK has a high wage economy. The UK economy is dominated by service industry. Thatcher shut down industry and swapped that for the city of London. The UK has a low-wage, low productivity, low margin, low skill (did I forget anything?) economy. You cant have a high-wage economy if you don't manufacture anything.
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    (Original post by Choo.choo)
    Sorry I disagree your view that the UK has a high wage economy. The UK economy is dominated by service industry. Thatcher shut down industry and swapped that for the city of London. The UK has a low-wage, low productivity, low margin, low skill (did I forget anything?) economy. You cant have a high-wage economy if you don't manufacture anything.
    The whole western economies shut down their heavy industry and shifted to service sector.

    Disposable income is significantly higher now than in the 70s. But hey ho, we'll Ignore facts in order to continue espousing left wing myths.
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    (Original post by MatureStudent36)
    The whole western economies shut down their heavy industry and shifted to service sector.

    Disposable income is significantly higher now than in the 70s. But hey ho, we'll Ignore facts in order to continue espousing left wing myths.
    To you it's a myth not to other people. Real wages have fallen over the last 30 years. We need a manufacturing economy as you need manufacturing to create wealth. Service sector jobs do not directly create wealth.
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    (Original post by Choo.choo)
    To you it's a myth not to other people. Real wages have fallen over the last 30 years. We need a manufacturing economy as you need manufacturing to create wealth. Service sector jobs do not directly create wealth.
    Real Wages have risen in the last 30 years according to pretty much any ONS publication.

    Why do those on the left advocate backward looking policies?

    We already have manufacturing in the economy but I will bet my entire life savings that you do not work in manufacturing and have no interest in getting a job in manufacturing.
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    (Original post by MatureStudent36)
    The whole western economies shut down their heavy industry and shifted to service sector.

    Disposable income is significantly higher now than in the 70s. But hey ho, we'll Ignore facts in order to continue espousing left wing myths.
    A higher percentage of service sector jobs suits the government because they can just slap VAT on them.

    With manufacturing, the purchase of components, machinery and all other tools used in such trades are acquired under VAT and then sold on with VAT applied with the end user paying VAT, if it is not a business.

    With service jobs, it simply leads to an artificial measure of wealth. I can do consultancy work for £1000 a day meaning the Government earns £200 on that.

    If I am paying myself a wage (£50,000) from my consultancy work, that is also getting taxed (Income tax). I'd also have to pay corporation tax.


    Everywhere you see, it's just the government thinking of ways to create more tax revenue, hence the emphasis on service jobs instead of a real measure like manufacturing.

    Our economy should be at least 60% manufacturing so that we have a firm base if the bad times should come.
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    (Original post by Errm32)
    A higher percentage of service sector jobs suits the government because they can just slap VAT on them.

    With manufacturing, the purchase of components, machinery and all other tools used in such trades are acquired under VAT and then sold on with VAT applied with the end user paying VAT, if it is not a business.

    With service jobs, it simply leads to an artificial measure of wealth. I can do consultancy work for £1000 a day meaning the Government earns £200 on that.

    If I am paying myself a wage (£50,000) from my consultancy work, that is also getting taxed (Income tax). I'd also have to pay corporation tax.


    Everywhere you see, it's just the government thinking of ways to create more tax revenue, hence the emphasis on service jobs instead of a real measure like manufacturing.

    Our economy should be at least 60% manufacturing so that we have a firm base if the bad times should come.
    [QUOTE=Errm32;59308773] What firm base when bad times come? It may have missed you by but the service sector drove recovery.I'm all for manufacturing, I work in the sector, but I tend to find the people advocating the growth in the manufacturing base tend to have little to no understanding of how the sector works and no desired work in it themselves.Do you wish to do a mundane repetitive task on a production line?Do our wish to do a harsh physically demanding job that leaves you with long term health problems?
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    Funny that after so many months of shouting at Labour for not being left wing enough - that when they actually become left wing the SNP are now changing their tune to 'yeah but they're too left wing to win in England now'.

    The SNP will no longer be able to attack Labour as Red Tories or 'all the same' which was their main selling point at the last election.

    I think Labour will win back some (not all) votes and seats off the SNP.
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    (Original post by Bornblue)

    I think Labour will win back some (not all) votes and seats off the SNP.
    That remains to be seen. It is a shame Corbyn does not want Scottish independence.
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    (Original post by Choo.choo)
    That remains to be seen. It is a shame Corbyn does not want Scottish independence.
    The SNP's main line of attack has been 'Red tories', 'all the same' etc. They won't be able to say that anymore.
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    (Original post by Bornblue)
    The SNP's main line of attack has been 'Red tories', 'all the same' etc. They won't be able to say that anymore.
    You underestimating how tribal SNP supporters are. I know many of them who are left-wing and would agree with Corby on a number of issues but they still say they'll vote SNP over Labour. Its kind of an identity to them. They want to see a strict divide between the Nasty Tory English and themselves as the caring socialist Scots.
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    (Original post by Bornblue)
    The SNP's main line of attack has been 'Red tories', 'all the same' etc. They won't be able to say that anymore.
    I know. Nicola Sturgeon looked concerned in an interview after Jeremy Corbyn won. "Labour is a deeply divided party. Jeremy Corbyn is now the leader of a deeply divided party." Source of that citation is a BBC interview.
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    (Original post by The_Mighty_Bush)
    You underestimating how tribal SNP supporters are. I know many of them who are left-wing and would agree with Corby on a number of issues but they still say they'll vote SNP over Labour. Its kind of an identity to them. They want to see a strict divide between the Nasty Tory English and themselves as the caring socialist Scots.

    I found Sturgeon's interview yesterday quite telling. After months of basically saying 'Labour are too right wing' she now comes out and days ' yeah well Labour are too left wing for England'.
    I think Corbyn will win some back but definitely not all.
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    (Original post by Bornblue)
    I found Sturgeon's interview yesterday quite telling. After months of basically saying 'Labour are too right wing' she now comes out and days ' yeah well Labour are too left wing for England'.
    I think Corbyn will win some back but definitely not all.
    The primary goal of the SNP has always been independence. Corby is certainly to the left of the SNP but many of the SNP's supporters have quite liked their self-righteousness campaigning of the last few years and won't want to change that at all.
 
 
 
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