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    I think most people don't really know what socialism is, and if they've heard anything about it, they've heard capitalist propaganda.
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    (Original post by Hydeman)
    And at worst? You speak of seizing the assets of the so-called one percent as if it's an acceptable thing to do so long as comrade Corbyn gets into power.
    Ah Hydeman I do love your replies. Your a step above MS anyway. Comrade Corbyn. Good one.
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    Because we all hate the taxman.

    Of course socialism is good. As is capitalism.
    It's just at the moment, we don't have a fair employment system that actually pays.
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    (Original post by miser)
    I think most people don't really know what socialism is, and if they've heard anything about it, they've heard capitalist propaganda.
    Have you considered the possibility that most people actually do know what socialism is and reject its principles because they don't like them? I love how there's basically no way to convince socialists that their ideas are unwelcome to most of the electorate. If the electorate agreed with you, I'd bet good money that you would instantly proclaim the wisdom of the electorate unparalleled, despite ****ging off the same people for being brainwashed by 'capitalist propaganda' when they don't agree with you.
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    (Original post by illegaltobepoor)
    Ah Hydeman I do love your replies. Your a step above MS anyway. Comrade Corbyn. Good one.
    There's a rep button, you know.
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    (Original post by saeed97)
    But surley the bank bailouts makes the UK government very socialist.
    I think I've heard people referring to it as "socialism for the wealthy". It's great if you're a banker, not so great if you're a mere mortal.
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    (Original post by Hydeman)
    Have you considered the possibility that most people actually do know what socialism is and reject its principles because they don't like them? I love how there's basically no way to convince socialists that their ideas are unwelcome to most of the electorate. If the electorate agreed with you, I'd bet good money that you would instantly proclaim the wisdom of the electorate unparalleled, despite ****ging off the same people for being brainwashed by 'capitalist propaganda' when they don't agree with you.
    Do you really think if you roamed the high street all day asking people about socialism, you'd get anywhere near 50% of people giving you principled objections?
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    (Original post by Hydeman)
    Have you considered the possibility that most people actually do know what socialism is and reject its principles because they don't like them? I love how there's basically no way to convince socialists that their ideas are unwelcome to most of the electorate. If the electorate agreed with you, I'd bet good money that you would instantly proclaim the wisdom of the electorate unparalleled, despite ****ging off the same people for being brainwashed by 'capitalist propaganda' when they don't agree with you.
    This.
    But I have to disagree, I think the tide is turning in this country. I wouldn't go as far as most of the electorate but a significant proportion. Socialism is growing, it's just it's growing more proportionately amongst people who are economically inactive (students) or the unemployed, than economically active.

    But yes, people do think the right wing or capitalists are dumb ****s, when in fact, a fair proportion know what they're talking about.
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    (Original post by miser)
    Do you really think if you roamed the high street all day asking people about socialism, you'd get anywhere near 50% of people giving you principled objections?
    Which is why I'm in favour of democracy, but only if the right people vote.

    If all the voters were as informed and intelligent as – say – me, or even you, it could possibly work. But that’s hardly realistic.


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    (Original post by Hydeman)
    Have you considered the possibility that most people actually do know what socialism is and reject its principles because they don't like them? I love how there's basically no way to convince socialists that their ideas are unwelcome to most of the electorate. If the electorate agreed with you, I'd bet good money that you would instantly proclaim the wisdom of the electorate unparalleled, despite ****ging off the same people for being brainwashed by 'capitalist propaganda' when they don't agree with you.
    You are right there Hydeman. Most people whom are 40+ know all about Socialism because they grew up in the 70s where the Labour party was flexing its Trade Union power.

    Sad thing there was there was no comradeship for the wider citizens of the UK. It was just a baby boomer me me me thing. The only time when the left united was against Thatcher but ultimately the miners strike collapsed because the well off miners abandoned those who where poorer.

    People like the blame the Tories a lot. In some respects they have good points but take a look at the mining towns which the Unions have abandoned and your see the worst kind of poverty in the UK.

    Now the question is this. What do these mining towns need? Do they need affordable housing? No! Got plenty. Do they need Jobs? Er Yes! They need a lot of Jobs. Full blown Socialism will not deliver them jobs and most likely it will cause a purge of Enter-pruners.

    So Corbyn doesn't have all the answers for every single region of the UK and he needs to be very careful that he doesn't cause a exodus of enter-pruners in the regions which need them!
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    (Original post by Hydeman)
    There's a rep button, you know.
    Give a Tory some rep? Dam I'll have to think about that. I will set up a collective meeting with all the other wishy washy lefties and when we come to a collective ethical agreement I will let you know.
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    (Original post by nucdev)
    Which is why I'm in favour of democracy, but only if the right people vote.

    If all the voters were as informed and intelligent as – say – me, or even you, it could possibly work. But that’s hardly realistic.


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    The great weakness of democracy has and always will be the complacency and apathy of the public.
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    (Original post by illegaltobepoor)
    Give a Tory some rep? Dam I'll have to think about that. I will set up a collective meeting with all the other wishy washy lefties and when we come to a collective ethical agreement I will let you know.
    I'm not a Tory though. ._________________.
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    (Original post by senz72)
    This.
    But I have to disagree, I think the tide is turning in this country. I wouldn't go as far as most of the electorate but a significant proportion. Socialism is growing, it's just it's growing more proportionately amongst people who are economically inactive (students) or the unemployed, than economically active.

    But yes, people do think the right wing or capitalists are dumb ****s, when in fact, a fair proportion know what they're talking about.
    Fair point. I know a lot of people my age who are quite left-wing and flirting with the ideology of the Green party but I suspect a lot of it has to do with the fact that it's somewhat 'cool', among the people I know, to support this radical left-wing party because, as always, they are sold the lie that if you don't support state ownership of almost everything and wealth redistribution, it means you're uncompassionate and hate the poor and, as if to prove the first charge beyond all doubt, the sick and the disabled. At least that's my impression, based on a lot of people I speak to.
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    (Original post by miser)
    Do you really think if you roamed the high street all day asking people about socialism, you'd get anywhere near 50% of people giving you principled objections?
    Of course not. I wouldn't expect them to give the detailed reasoning one might expect from a final year politics student at university. Ask them whether they believe in high taxation, high public expenditure, the inheritance tax, the state provision of a middle class lifestyle for unemployed people, running a deficit to finance high public spending that isn't covered by high taxation, and you will most certainly see an overwhelming majority disagree. Of course, you would need to take into account where this high street of yours is: it's hardly a fair test if you go to the safest Labour seat in the country and ask these questions.

    Don't get me wrong, the public does overwhelmingly support some redistributive, collectivist policies and organisations such as the NHS, the BBC etc. But this is largely, in my estimation, because they don't quite make the link between increasing spending on these things and taxation. It's drilled into us from a young age that the NHS is a good, compassionate thing, which has resulted in its evolution from a National Health Service to a state religion which must be adhered to if you ever want to hold public office in this country. So you can always expect people to cheer for increased spending on the NHS because if they don't, then they can expect to be accused of being a 'nasty Tory', 'uncompassionate', 'poor-hater' and so on.

    However, I'd be willing to bet good money (by student standards ) that most people in this country fundamentally believe in the idea that the state should seek to minimise its claim to the fruit of other people's labour. Almost everybody would agree that the vulnerable should be helped but for the rest of socialism, I'm afraid, there's not much of a market in Britain.
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    Socialism never really took root because the working class never saw themselves as an exploited proleteriat, but rather as temporarily embarrassed millionaires

    Or so Steinbeck said.
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    (Original post by will_law25)
    And the west in general, really...
    presumabley because it makes no sense in real life. and because its been seen what a mess its made in various attempts to implement it around the world
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    (Original post by illegaltobepoor)
    lol to late we became a socialist country when we invented the NHS.
    I'm fine with a few aspects of socialism, but when a country completely adopts socialist policies like communism, then I'm leaving straight up
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    Because the capitalists have complete control. We are talking control over the education system and the media. COMPLETE CONTROL.
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    Because people generally don't have a good understanding of what socialism actually entails.

    The UK government actually employs various socialist policies such as the NHS, minimum wage, state pension etc. We don't live in a fully capitalist or socialist country. It's a mixture of the two and it would do people well to remember that any time they treat socialism like some kind of boogie man.
 
 
 
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