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    (Original post by SignFromDog)
    What do you mean "she is not educated on this matter"? She's clearly a complete *****, with absolutely no consideration or sense of empathy. Why is that so difficult for you to comprehend?

    Or do you care to elaborate what you mean by "not educated on this matter"? Perhaps you can tell us where she went wrong and where you disagree with her (if you do disagree at all.. maybe you just think she was not properly educated on the PR aspect of not speaking publicly about what you really believe should happen to Israeli Jews)
    Don't care for her lack of empathy or whatever. It's painfully clear she doesn't know the distinction between a Jew and a zionist.

    She is even smiling as she knows she is just blathering something that doesn't make any sense. Maybe next time when you want to do your little "interview". Track someone going to a school so you can have stronger case for belittling your opposition.
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    (Original post by The Free Radical)
    I know, this is 100% correct, so many stupid people create this existential enemy and transfer any blame onto them to make up for their own stupidity or even simply the failure of their ideology.
    Absolutely. I think the way many on the left use "Zionism" as a kind of term of abuse is very much in that vein. I've met people who think they can be both anti-zionist and in favour of a two-state solution. They think Zionist means "right-wing violent settler" or something like that, not that it is the basic ideology of Israel including the atheist socialists, collectivists and trade unionists who founded the country and ran it for the first 30 years.

    And "Zionism" (as they understand, or misunderstand, it) becomes the focus of evil in the modern world (along with America). It becomes, in their minds, a great battle between good and evil, and anyone who isn't 100% on board with their agenda is tacitly supporting evil. And everyone on the other side cannot possibly be pursuing policies they believe, sometimes incorrectly, to be in the best interests of their country. It has to be that it is some kind of conspiracy, that these people are malicious and desirous of carrying out evil actions.

    The most important thing would be Jewish people living this country being able to leave before things become too dangerous and this goes for the whole of Europe. Even America I would say is much safer.
    Totally. The situation is much worse in France; it has the largest Jewish population in Europe. They are something like 2% of the population, but they are the victims of 50% of the hate crimes.

    In my mind Israel's unique mission is to ensure there will always be a place for Jews to escape to if there was another Holocaust or similar event. There are only 14 million or so Jews in the world, compared to billions of Christians and Muslims. I don't think it's unreasonable that there be at least one place in the world where they are a majority, a strong state which will act as a deterrent to violence against Jews (governments won't want to mess with the Israeli state by persecuting their Jews) and ultimately a safe haven to escape to.

    You're right that America is a lot better than Europe in terms of anti-semitism. I mean, in living memory millions of Jews were systematically killed in Europe. And now the modern left and Islamism are reviving many of the tropes about Jews that were floating around in the 1930s
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    (Original post by DiceTheSlice)
    Don't care for her lack of empathy or whatever. It's painfully clear she doesn't know the distinction between a Jew and a zionist.

    She is even smiling as she knows she is just blathering something that doesn't make any sense. Maybe next time when you want to do your little "interview". Track someone going to a school so you can have stronger case for belittling your opposition.
    It seems clear to me she does know the difference and she has come to the conclusion still that Jews are the enemy.

    Are you denying that there are many within the self-proclaimed pro-Palestinian movement who do understand the difference between Jews and Zionism but nonetheless adopt an anti-semitic position, and believe that Jews control the world, that they drink the blood of gentile children etc?
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    (Original post by The Free Radical)
    In that first video with the middle aged woman, I genuinely would have had a hard time not caving her ****ing face in when she said 'what is the Holocaust' and then smiled,

    People like Corbyn are the ones I hate the most, the liberal leftists who act self-righteous but associate with these people and act as if it's all ok.
    I agree 100%. There's actually something deeply sinister about Corbyn; he believes his moral crusade is so righteous that no matter what he does, no matter who he associates with or supports, it is completely justified because his cause is right and his intentions are (in his own reckoning) good.

    It was very revealing that in the Channel 4 hustings he said he would never share a platform with the BNP. I thought he said you had to be willing to speak to people with whom you disagree?

    And right on re that woman. I would have been sorely tempted by the way she knowingly smiled and said "What is the Holocaust".
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    (Original post by DiceTheSlice)
    she doesn't know the distinction between a Jew and a zionist.
    By the way, do you know the difference between various sorts of Zionists or is every Zionist an evildoer in your mind?

    You do realise that Zionist doesn't mean "evil right-wing settler" or something like that... that pretty much everyone in the state of Israel, at least Jewish people, are Zionists. This includes the socialist and collectivist groups who strongly favour pulling out of the West Bank and forcibly bringing the settlers out.

    A lot of people on the left laughably call themselves anti-Zionist and then also say they want a two-state solution. By definition, if you think the State of Israel can exist then you are open to Zionism.
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    Corbyn voter base right there
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    (Original post by DiceTheSlice)
    Don't care for her lack of empathy or whatever. It's painfully clear she doesn't know the distinction between a Jew and a zionist.

    She is even smiling as she knows she is just blathering something that doesn't make any sense. Maybe next time when you want to do your little "interview". Track someone going to a school so you can have stronger case for belittling your opposition.
    So anti-semitism is not endemic, or at the very least a problem, in the anti-Israel/pro-Palestine movement?
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    "Kill them all"-Liberal. What's the world coming to?
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    (Original post by SignFromDog)
    Absolutely. I think the way many on the left use "Zionism" as a kind of term of abuse is very much in that vein. I've met people who think they can be both anti-zionist and in favour of a two-state solution. They think Zionist means "right-wing violent settler" or something like that, not that it is the basic ideology of Israel including the atheist socialists, collectivists and trade unionists who founded the country and ran it for the first 30 years.

    And "Zionism" (as they understand, or misunderstand, it) becomes the focus of evil in the modern world (along with America). It becomes, in their minds, a great battle between good and evil, and anyone who isn't 100% on board with their agenda is tacitly supporting evil. And everyone on the other side cannot possibly be pursuing policies they believe, sometimes incorrectly, to be in the best interests of their country. It has to be that it is some kind of conspiracy, that these people are malicious and desirous of carrying out evil actions.



    Totally. The situation is much worse in France; it has the largest Jewish population in Europe. They are something like 2% of the population, but they are the victims of 50% of the hate crimes.

    In my mind Israel's unique mission is to ensure there will always be a place for Jews to escape to if there was another Holocaust or similar event. There are only 14 million or so Jews in the world, compared to billions of Christians and Muslims. I don't think it's unreasonable that there be at least one place in the world where they are a majority, a strong state which will act as a deterrent to violence against Jews (governments won't want to mess with the Israeli state by persecuting their Jews) and ultimately a safe haven to escape to.

    You're right that America is a lot better than Europe in terms of anti-semitism. I mean, in living memory millions of Jews were systematically killed in Europe. And now the modern left and Islamism are reviving many of the tropes about Jews that were floating around in the 1930s
    11/10 post. One of the best on here in a while.
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    (Original post by SignFromDog)
    Indeed. And what's remarkable is that in the old days, even when they disagreed with a particular regime, the left would not lose a sense of solidarity with the people. They tended to adopt the position that, in wars, you had to empathise with the working-class boys who did most of the fighting and dying, and that the criticism was against the generals, the governments and so on.

    But now so many on the left adopt a position that all Israeli Jews are morally culpable and subject to be killed. They have no sense of empathy for, say, an Israeli lad of an Iraqi Jewish background who was born there, who had no choice in where he was born or in the decisions of earlier Israeli governments.... commenters on this thread tell us this 18 year old lad should be expelled from Israel and sent back to Iraq to die.. in the words of one of them above, "tough luck". The same kind of attitude extends to the American underclass, to American soldiers and so on.

    Same again with the homophobia; if you're a gay person in Iran or the Palestinian territories etc. then your death is justifiable on the basis that the Iranian government is "anti-imperialist" and that it is Western decadence to try to impose our views of sexuality on them.
    Have a look at my thread about the Jewish lad from Manchester who was the victim of an anti-semitic attack. It wasn't long before people started blaming Israel and Zionism. :rolleyes:
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    (Original post by KimKallstrom)
    11/10 post. One of the best on here in a while.
    Thanks I really appreciate that
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    dont any of these people have jobs?
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    (Original post by SignFromDog)
    I think you're under a misapprehension about what a straw man argument is. Making an observation that you're another internet tough guy who posting ludicrous comments viz. death and genocide makes him hard is not a straw man, it's simply an observation about what a preposterous individual you are.
    Once again, straw man argument

    (Original post by SignFromDog)
    Actually, no. There were many Arab immigrants to Israel/Palestine in the 19th century, just as there were Jewish immigrants. Yasser Arafat, the acme of Palestinianess, was an Egyptian. But somehow people like you will tell us that the Egyptian Arafat had more rights to the land of Israel/Palestine than a Jewish person whose family never left Palestine
    I can't find any records indicating there was huge Arab immigration into Palestine in the 19th century, in 1850 there were only about 350,000 people living there, and they were already Arabs anyway, around 85% Muslim, 10% Christian and 5% Jewish. Its not really comparable to taking over the country, bombing the Arabs, destroying their homes etc and opening the floodgates of the country to everyone with a Jewish grandparent. Calling it immigration is just... a lie, its straight up colonisation project which no, I don't believe the Jews have the right to do.

    (Original post by SignFromDog)
    It sounds like you've never actually bothered to look into this subject, and have been content to swallow propaganda whole. Don't tell me, you're another conspiracy theorist who believes that Ashkenazi Jews are really the evil "Khazars"?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geneti...Jewish_origins

    This wiki article will give you a good place to start. Even Ashkenazi Jews from Europe genetically resemble Yemeni Jews, Syrian Jews and so on more than they resemble their European neighbours. The semitic character of Jewish people is not seriously disputed
    Those tests don't really mean anything, most British people also have Middle Eastern ancestors if you go back that far, Western civilisation started around Syria, iraq and Egypt and spread to Europe through farming , it doesn't make us 'semitic' to have Middle Eastern ancestors, same as a British Jew today having an ancestor from Israel 3000 years ago.

    Ashkenazi Jews very often have blonde hair and blue eyes, more often than say, Italians. Its because they reflect the nation they come from because they've intermixed with the populace for so long they're the same thing, there is nothing semitic left. Their culture has become European, Yiddish is a dead language. Like you mentioned many of them don't even follow the religion which is where the whole Zionist claim is supposed to come from, these people have built up a whole false identity on being a different race to justify their cultish wars. Ashkenazi Jews (I mention these ones the most because its with them that Zionism originated and who are most of the leadership and inner circle) are just Europeans.

    Its all meaningless anyway, because Christianity and Islam are both Semitic and have religious claims to that land, it should be left to the indigenous people.
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    (Original post by SignFromDog)
    Jews are the indigenous population of Israel.
    Such a claim requires a quite bizarre definition of indigenous. For a start, it requires that someone can still be indigenous to an area despite having been gone from it for far longer than their ancestors were ever there in the first place. And that any mixing between their ancestors and other populations while they were gone has no importance. And that those who converted to another religion during that time for some reason lose their indigenous status, even if they stayed in the area in question the whole time (on top of this, it's worth noting that even before the diaspora, there were pretty sizable native non-Jewish populations living in what is now Israel and Palestine).

    It's also worth noting that early Zionist leaders like Herzl, Jabotinsky and Weizmann, referred to the Palestinians as "natives", as a contrast to the Jewish settlers.
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    (Original post by SignFromDog)
    Yasser Arafat, the acme of Palestinianess, was an Egyptian.
    By this logic, Richard Dawkins is Kenyan, John McCain is Panamanian, and Eamon de Valera was American. Arafat may have been born in Cairo, but both his parents were Palestinian.
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    If this is a race, I get the impression that the Israelis cemented their lead when they literally paved over their opponent.
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    (Original post by anarchism101)
    By this logic, Richard Dawkins is Kenyan, John McCain is Panamanian, and Eamon de Valera was American. Arafat may have been born in Cairo, but both his parents were Palestinian.
    Actually wasn't his father born in Palestine but to an Egyptian father? There's definitely some back and forth there.

    I would be interested to know your position on the idea that Palestinians, uniquely amongst all refugee groups, can pass down their refugee status almost like inherited property. So if you are a guy who was born in England, whose parents were both born in England, you are still considered a Palestinian "refugee" if your paternal grandfather was born there.

    It makes a mockery of the concept of being a refugee
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    (Original post by anarchism101)
    Such a claim requires a quite bizarre definition of indigenous. For a start, it requires that someone can still be indigenous to an area despite having been gone from it for far longer than their ancestors were ever there in the first place.
    You are overgeneralising in a way that suggests you are either ignorant of the history of Yishuv or deliberately obfuscating.

    There are Jewish families who never left the Levant.

    It's also worth noting that early Zionist leaders like Herzl, Jabotinsky and Weizmann, referred to the Palestinians as "natives"
    Citation please re Herzl.
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    What she is saying is wrong however the 6 million Holocaust is a lie

    You may say it is a documented fact

    Explain WHY it is a documented fact and what makes you believe millions were exterminated in camps?

    Given that most Jews especially Israeli's grow up surrounded by Holocaust survivors it should make you wonder. All these survivors, how many died in there then? There are even people who believed they had their friends and family killed in camps, who later found out that they were simply separated because of the Iron Curtain (Soviet Union, Europe divide)

    There is no evidence of gassed people, or mass extermination in camps.

    There is however a lot of evidence is of typhus victims from an outbreak at the end of the war which you can see photographs of their bodies (noticed how they look like typhus victims) being buried by the Allies. Cremation was used to dispose of diseased bodies because it was cleanlier. Make sense?

    There was even a British doctor who conducted tests on those bodies and he wasn't even allowed at the Nuremberg trials.

    The Germans were framed just as they were framed for Katyn massacre which was later confirmed to be carried out by the Soviet Union. Vladamir Putin has stated more than once that the first Soviet Union at war with Germany was majority Jewish despite Stalin allegedly being an anti-Semite.

    The Soviets denied Allies inspecting these campsfor ages because they had to remodel in attempt to make these buildings look like they were used to kill people. Take some time to watch David Cole's Auschwitz documentary where he goes through the camps and picks apart the propaganda machine.

    Never in history have camps been used to exterminate people. It makes zero sense to kill people in a time consuming way and you know it.

    Throughout history there have been prison camps, work camps, even the Brits coined the term concentration camp and put Boer in them during the second Boer war... that is exactly what German camps were. They had comforts in these camps that really helped debunk this rubbish about them being used to exterminate people. The Germans were not all evil monsters! But they certainly have been portrayed as such.

    Remember during the war there was a campaign against Germany by the Jews. Boycotts, a bit like they're doing to Russia today... In America the Jewish owned media pushed for war with Germany saying they were a threat to them, while they covered up the atrocities of the Soviet terror and the Jewish involved in that...

    History is repeating itself now Russia is being treated like Germany imo
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    (Original post by Susej)
    Explain WHY it is a documented fact and what makes you believe millions were exterminated in camps?
    Two words. Wannsee Conference.

    Are you claiming it never happened?

    There is no evidence of gassed people, or mass extermination in camps.
    A bizarre comment. There is reams of evidence. The German SS guards themselves have admitted what happened (not that their admissions were necessary, the actual gassing infrastructure was still in place when allied troops overran them)

    The blueprints of the gas chambers, the orders to gas them, all of this is a matter of public record. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Critic...f_gas_chambers)

    It appears that you are utterly disinterested in unbiased facts and will simply dismiss anything that undermines your claim
 
 
 
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