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    (Original post by rebeccarmi)
    What are your opinions on Jeremy Corbyn?

    As a conservative I'm happy he got elected
    I'm happy! It means Labour have got a leader who is actually Labour for a change.
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    (Original post by Gears265)
    LMFAO, yes thousands shout and cheer, mostly left wingers, and it apparently represents the views of millions of Labour voters. Most of the crowds have less than 1000 people in them. Unless he has millions out on the streets you can not assume he will be elected.
    considering the labour party is the left wing party, and thousands of people have not voted labour in previous elections due to their policies being too right wing - corbyn was elected leader with more votes than any other previous leader, including blair, (nearly 60%) which shows what a large proportion of the party believe in him, it isnt about the crowds on the streets but the actual votes, and the policies
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    Me. I'm drinking my socialist champagne.
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    (Original post by Gears265)
    I never expected them to go extreme but at least move from the centre to centre right, the cabinet is too liberal. I sometimes forget Cameron is a Tory. I preferred Thatcher's ideology, not the rubbish we have right now.
    I don't exactly think thatcher was particularly right wing. She had to go hard on the trade unions and the left has always tried to smear anybody who questions/challenges them as extreme right wing/nazi/facist/homophob.

    That's why Scottish labour got shafted by the snp. The SNP out smeared labour.
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    so glad vacuous Kendall saw clearly with her 4.5% outcome that people aren't interested in her Blairite bull****ting.
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    (Original post by citydeer)
    considering the labour party is the left wing party, and thousands of people have not voted labour in previous elections due to their policies being too right wing - corbyn was elected leader with more votes than any other previous leader, including blair, (nearly 60%) which shows what a large proportion of the party believe in him, it isnt about the crowds on the streets but the actual votes, and the policies
    It is amusing that you think the right and centre right and centre for that matter would remain in the Labour Party. Majority of Labour voters I know (and that is a lot) plan on voting UKIP next time. The left got their man but the millions concerned with the EU and immigration will be saying goodbye to Labour. Hahaha, I love it!
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    (Original post by citydeer)
    considering the labour party is the left wing party, and thousands of people have not voted labour in previous elections due to their policies being too right wing - corbyn was elected leader with more votes than any other previous leader, including blair, (nearly 60%) which shows what a large proportion of the party believe in him, it isnt about the crowds on the streets but the actual votes, and the policies
    Its a higher proportion but less votes in number. The Labour leadership contest in 94 had over 800,000 people I believe.
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    Very happy. Now we can see Labour get wiped out the way of the Lib-Dems next GE.
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    All these tories saying they're pleased he won because apparently this will make labour unelectable really are counting their chickens before they're hatched. Given that two thirds of the electorate voted against the tories in the first place and labour lost votes to minor parties for being Diet Tories and having a leader with the charisma of a dead fish. Labour now has a leader who has clearly distinct ideas from the tories and won the leadership with almost two thirds of the votes inspite of all the **** the press threw at him. That sounds like a recipe for a labour win to me.
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    (Original post by MatureStudent36)
    I don't exactly think thatcher was particularly right wing. She had to go hard on the trade unions and the left has always tried to smear anybody who questions/challenges them as extreme right wing/nazi/facist/homophob.

    That's why Scottish labour got shafted by the snp. The SNP out smeared labour.
    Scottish labour got shafted by the SNP because the SNP managed to get a referendum on Scottish independence. Not even going to bother with the hypocracy of your statement of what "the left" do if someone questions them.
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    (Original post by rebeccarmi)
    What are your opinions on Jeremy Corbyn?

    As a conservative I'm happy he got elected
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    UKIP will ease into the role of the defunct Labour Party... happy time !!
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    (Original post by Gwilym101)
    Scottish labour got shafted by the SNP because the SNP managed to get a referendum on Scottish independence. Not even going to bother with the hypocracy of your statement of what "the left" do if someone questions them.
    And yet the majority of the electorate voted no in it.

    I feel however you've failed to grasp that labours collapse in Scotland had nothing to do with the referendum. It started well before that.
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    (Original post by MatureStudent36)
    And yet the majority of the electorate voted no in it.

    I feel however you've failed to grasp that labours collapse in Scotland had nothing to do with the referendum. It started well before that.
    Yeah but the party managed to bring the issue to the forefront and actually get it. They legitimately got something done and did what they said they would, that resonates with voters even those that voted against independance had to respect that they got the referendum, plus so much effort was spent on getting people involved. 86% of the electorate turned out to vote, a higher turnout percentage than any general election since 1945. The referendum sealed the win in scotland for the SNP even if th balance was already turning in their favour the referendum guaranteed it..
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    (Original post by Gwilym101)
    Yeah but the party managed to bring the issue to the forefront and actually get it. They legitimately got something done and did what they said they would, that resonates with voters even those that voted against independance had to respect that they got the referendum, plus so much effort was spent on getting people involved. 86% of the electorate turned out to vote, a higher turnout percentage than any general election since 1945. The referendum sealed the win in scotland for the SNP even if th balance was already turning in their favour the referendum guaranteed it..
    Well done for stating fact.

    However, you appear to to have associated the referendum result with the SNPs rise.

    Historical polling for seperation has been quite consistent over the years.

    The SNP however have failed to make any change to the way Scotland's run for over a decade. Their policy consists of refusing to use the powers they already have available and blame somebody else.
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    (Original post by Gwilym101)
    Yeah but the party managed to bring the issue to the forefront and actually get it. They legitimately got something done and did what they said they would, that resonates with voters even those that voted against independance had to respect that they got the referendum, plus so much effort was spent on getting people involved. 86% of the electorate turned out to vote, a higher turnout percentage than any general election since 1945. The referendum sealed the win in scotland for the SNP even if th balance was already turning in their favour the referendum guaranteed it..
    Labour had been hollowing out in Scotland for decades but no-one noticed because there were Scots (preceded by a Welshman) at the top; first Smith and then Blair and Brown who came as a package (and of course although Blair identified as English there was no doubt he was raised in Edinburgh). The first Blair cabinet in 1997 also had Irving, Darling, Cook, Robertson, Dewar and Strang.

    Milliband was so Londoncentric that he couldn't have found the end of the Northern Line and in his shadow cabinet in 2015 you only had Scots Douglas Alexander and Margaret Curran who weren't even household names in their own households.

    Scotland no longer appeared to mean anything to Labour and there were no longer boots on the ground to reassure Scots and fight to keep them.
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    (Original post by viddy9)
    I'm delighted, and intelligent Conservatives won't be, because it undermines all of their progress when it comes to getting Labour to accept the political orthodoxy of neoliberal economics (Osborne, ever the astute observer, says that Corbyn's election will undo a generation's work); it will shift the terms of the debate to the Left (the Telegraph is now saying that the Conservatives will have to shift Left as a result of Corbyn); and it will galvanize apathetic and young voters, address the concerns of Scottish people, and win back SNP, Green and UKIP voters.

    Current Conservative Party supporters should remember that it's not the party elected that matters, it's their policies. The Conservatives have outlined plans to tax non-doms further, as a result of Labour's campaign, they've been forced to bring out a higher minimum wage (to the chagrin of "business") and they've been forced into accepting gay marriage despite the majority of their MPs opposing it. I'll be looking forward to the Conservatives accepting more rational policy proposals as a result of Corbyn's election.
    Actually all they have to do is highlight how Labour are now a risk to national security.

    There is a reason why Tony Blair dreaded Corbyn, it will cause Labour to self-implode.
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    (Original post by Calsiwm_Silicad)
    I'm happy! It means Labour have got a leader who is actually Labour for a change.
    So Labour do represent treachery?
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    Incredibly happy. For once you see someone who is actually a decent human being, who cares for conditions of the less fortunate around the country and the world, and who supports the right social changes. It's great to see the labour party actually elect someone genuine and relatable for once instead of the normal career politicians.
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    (Original post by Nicholas Nelson)
    Tory supporters seemed kinda chuffed that he Corbyn won.
    As a Conservative of course I'm happy he's elected as it means Labour are now unelectable, nobody wants a Left or right wing government, people want centre Politics. Labour will go to left and the only centre left party will be the liberals
 
 
 
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