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    (Original post by Gears265)
    The left have this notion if we abandon all our warheads, army personnel and armed forces first, our enemies will follow in our footsteps. They generally believe if we demonstrate doing it, ISIS, Putin, North Korea, Iran, Assad, Argentina, China and everyone would look at our honor and join with us.

    The left are on some sort of drug. They do not live in the real world. In the real world, humans are dangerous and humanity has been involved in more wars that I can bare to think of. This is why we need real brains in power and not those who live in the world of fantasy.
    Whilst I agree with the principle that you can lead by example and others will follow, this cannot always translate into reality. Labour's decision to leave us defenceless is dangerous, I'll agree with you on that!
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    (Original post by Gears265)
    lets be honest, everyone will vote to stay in. Majority of the public are chickens, they always vote for the system when the idea of stepping into the unknown scares them. Cameron has his supporters round his fingers, this referendum is pathetic and is absolutely pointless.

    Do you actually think the out campaign has a chance? We wont win, end of
    I don't know- I've not made my mind up yet.
    We'll see.
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    (Original post by emiloujess)
    Whilst I agree with the principle that you can lead by example and others will follow, this cannot always translate into reality. Labour's decision to leave us defenceless is dangerous, I'll agree with you on that!
    I simply have to put my self in the shoes of ISIS. I think if my enemies disarm themselves I will take advantage of that and strike when they are at their most vulnerable. Humans are not some angels that have a moral compass, history has proved that we have the potential to be very sick and therefore anyone who believes ISIS would follow in our footsteps, needs a brain transplant.
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    (Original post by Gears265)
    I simply have to put my self in the shoes of ISIS. I think if my enemies disarm themselves I will take advantage of that and strike when they are at their most vulnerable. Humans are not some angels that have a moral compass, history has proved that we have the potential to be very sick and therefore anyone who believes ISIS would follow in our footsteps, needs a brain transplant.
    ISIS would not folllow in our footsteps should we go down that route, we are definitely in agreement there. They would merely see a country wide open, practically welcoming invasion. Scrapping the army would be the worst decision made.
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    (Original post by Bornblue)
    I don't know- I've not made my mind up yet.
    We'll see.
    Well don't bother, 11 million Tories, 1.6 million SNP, 1.1 million Greens, 2 million plaid and liberal, probably 7 million Labour voters will all vote to stay in. There is not not enough UKIP supporters or Labour socialists that can beat those numbers. Don't even bother to get out of bed. Cameron uses fear politics to get what he wants, he will use it on his own supporters by claiming some rubbish like "Your pensions, job, security, human rights and privacy are all at risk if you vote to leave"
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    Corbyn may be a threat but the Conservatives have already raped and pillaged us. Its a bit like someone stealing from your house and then telling you to be careful of the person down the street because they might steal from your house. Pot, kettle.......









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    (Original post by Gears265)
    -He was an ally during the Falklands war, we needed him at the time, she was critical of his reign at times but he was a vital ally at the time and she had to stand by him.
    We are talking about 1999, not the 1980's.

    -That demonstrates the economic competency of the left. Printing money serves no real purpose in GDP or GDP per person, it has the effect of causing an inflation spike and serves no economic output. Plus there will be an impact on the value of the sterling. Please read up because you have no idea what damage printing money can do. It is child's play, kindergarten economics
    http://www.economicshelp.org/blog/63...rinting-money/
    That article is a general overview and I believe simply addresses what the Labour Government did when they implemented QE. They just dumped a whole lot of money into the economy and sit back and waited for people to pick it up.

    Corbyn's plan, as far as I'm clued up with it, is to print a set value of money to fund infrastructure projects. In doing so, we have a tangible asset instead of simply electronic numbers. It will have the effect of creating more jobs and if done gradually, will hardly lead to any inflation.

    Furthermore, if they combine this with raising taxes on the wealthy, then that will have the effect of "taking money out of the economy" and thus reducing the risk of inflation even more.

    Corbyn's quite clever. He'll use printing money and then claw it back. In that way, he could build infrastructure on the backs of wealthy people, instead of poor people.

    -Cutting army personnel is not the issue. It is our defense capacity that is. Our military power has been valued across the world, not because of numbers (like North korea's 1million+, or India's 1 million+) but by technological innovation and efficiency of armed weapons. We excel and evidence for that is demonstrated by the most of the world purchasing from our armed forces, like that of China, Israel, India, Brazil and many more. Arms trading is another issue though itself.
    Yes, drones and birds in the skies are really working against IS, and they really worked against the Taliban and Saddam.

    -The NHS has always remained in public hands, it is always free to the point of use. No patient has been denied treatment ever and you can not find proof for that. In fact Labour began the privatisation that we know but look it up please. You will find it is branches that deal with surgical technology and pharmaceuticals which have undergone privatisation, not healthcare itself. The purpose was too make the foundations of the NHS more sustainable, it will always remain free to the point of use. Stop crying and look at the facts.
    IVF treatment on the NHS.

    -Well their citizens do not, 99+% voted to remain with the UK in the Falklands, all but three people voted NO in the referendum not long ago. It was an overwhelming message to stay with the UK.
    Gibraltar too had an overwhelming NO result in the last referendum. Both territories have had multiple referendums in the past, all of which have 99+% as NO. So Jeremy is wrong to deny them their democratic right to stay with the UK

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gibral...ferendum,_2002
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worl...-No-votes.html
    He didn't say that he will kick them out of the UK. At the risk of parroting your words, "Look it up please".

    -This is another example of left wing economic competence- "lets just ignore it, it will go away", well guess what? it wont. Our kids and grand kids will have to foot the bill but hey I guess you left wingers don't give a **** about the future of this nation.
    Perhaps you are reading too much into this. Nowhere did I state that we should "ignore it". All I said was that it didn't seem too much of a priority in the last 20 years or so but now that Corbyn is here and he wants to spend, it suddenly becomes an attacking point on him?

    -Labour apparently want to hold businesses to ransom yet if I am not mistaken it is Jean Claude Junker's precious Luxembourg that is a renown tax haven. Unless the party rallies to leave the EU, Germany, France and Junker won't change ****. Tax havens have flourished in the EU, so Jeremy needs to stop pretending he is concerned and grow some balls like Farage.
    Labour simply want businesses to pay for the privilege of trading in the UK.

    Also raising corporation tax will simply push the businesses to tax havens, so well done, master plan there mister. Seriously what is wrong with you people?
    Then we simply bar them from ever trading in the UK.

    If you want to trade or operate in the UK, establish an office in the UK and pay your share of the corporation tax that is due.

    If you don't want to pay it, then don't bother trading in the UK.


    We don't care whether you base your entire global operations in the UK, so long as you pay the corporation tax that is due on your UK activities, at the very least.
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    (Original post by Bill_Gates)
    Dave is taking us head on for a war with Russia. We should back down like the small island we are!
    Or leave Europe and warm up relations with Russia. It's not that bad an idea.
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    (Original post by Bornblue)
    So after cutting 17,000 police officer jobs he now has plans to cut a further 22,000. Now that's what I call a threat to our security.

    I'm waiting for the daily mail and sun headlines and the rest of the Tory party to earn us over this threat in sensationalist and hyperbolic language and headlines.
    Has david Cameron openly supported pira?
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    You guys should get the news that China has just cut 300,000 military troops, I think that is also a threaten to China society. Because we have less military to defend our country now.. Although land troops are becoming less important nowadays...
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    (Original post by Bornblue)
    So after cutting 17,000 police officer jobs he now has plans to cut a further 22,000. Now that's what I call a threat to our security.

    I'm waiting for the daily mail and sun headlines and the rest of the Tory party to earn us over this threat in sensationalist and hyperbolic language and headlines.
    I vote Labour/Green

    However, I believe David Cameron has the strongest view when it comes to physical security. I don't believe that the additional money should be spent on Trident - I think there are better, more advanced options out there for a use of tax-payer's money, but I think he has the right idea about where to approach national security.

    I don't agree with pretty much anything else he said. If it were my way, we'd get the social and economic views of the Labour Party, combined with the Security and Defence views of the Conservative Party.



    [Worth mentioning] with the recent refugee crisis caused by Syria, if I were in charge of things, I would put £25m aside to a very right-wing approach to eliminating IS with "black-ops" units and under-the-radar assassination missions. However, I would also put £100m into the development of a new society in the middle east, and would expect other UN countries to do the same. If the worth of all of our 1st world countries drops somewhat, then so what? The investment funds would work off of that due to the nature of the investment, and after a couple of weeks of fluctuation, it would smooth out again.
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    I think this could be a problem now because then people will take on the role of policing and that's going to mean things will get much worse after Manchester. There's no limiting factors now and everyone seems confused what's going on. Maybe it will work itself out but that's a massive change it'll take at least 5-10 years for things to settle.
 
 
 
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