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    (Original post by DarkMagic)
    I don't think its quite the same thing. I don't eat a lot of meat (mostly just chicken and mince) but most of the meat people eat come from animals that are bred for that purpose. I'm not trying to defend that, but I do think there is a difference between lifting a packet of pork chops from a shelf and cooking them, to actually shooting the pig yourself and enjoying it.

    On the other hand, this guy has paid nearly £40,000 for the satisfaction of killing a defenceless animal. To me, that is completely sick. He will celebrate his 'huge accomplishment', boast about it and then he will move on and kill something else. He should be locked up.
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    If you eat meat, whether it's a lot or a little, then you are part of the industry that necessitates the torture and murder of animals. Whether we breed them or not for meat is not the question. YOU eat meat, so THEY KILL it, so YOU can eat it. YOU have blood on your hands. Think about it. Because people like you eat meat, some poor little animal is being murdered in cold blood.
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    (Original post by rock_climber86)
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    If you eat meat, whether it's a lot or a little, then you are part of the industry that necessitates the torture and murder of animals. Whether we breed them or not for meat is not the question. YOU eat meat, so THEY KILL it, so YOU can eat it. YOU have blood on your hands. Think about it. Because people like you eat meat, some poor little animal is being murdered in cold blood.
    I'm vegetarian & find the meat industry appalling. However, I think most people eat meat because they're conditioned into seeing it as the norm & with the prepacked meat you get in supermarkets its so easy not to think about the animal its come from, process of slaughter etc. I'm not sure telling people they have blood on their hands & talking about 'poor little animals' is the best way to get people to consider the other side of things. I used to say things like this when I was younger. I made the decision to go veggie after seeing some videos about the meat industry online & finding them pretty upsetting. I've found using that kind of emotive language is more likely to get me laughed at or people just switch off to the argument. Now if people ask me why I'm vegetarian I'll say I don't agree with the way animals are treated in the meat industry & maybe suggest they should do a bit of research into it.
    Going back to the issue of hunting I really don't understand the mentality behind it. If we were talking about hunting something because they were going to eat it I'd still disagree with it but at least there'd be an obvious reason why they were doing it. Killing an animal purely for the sake of killing it is just sick.
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    (Original post by DiddyDec)
    For a start, it is impossible to murder animals by the very definition of the word.

    Meat eaters who could not kill an animal in my books have zero standing on the subject of hunting. They are hypocrites. If they love animals so much they shouldn't eat them. Therefore they are selective animal lovers.

    Hunting in a national park isn't much different from actual wild hunting, they are still huge expanses of land and it can still take days to track the animal. Just so you can get an understanding of the size of this park, it is about 500,000 hectares which is a quarter of the size of Wales.

    The point of hunting is that it is fun. I'm sure that the money they spent on entering the park will be used to better the lives of other animals and it is people like these hunters who actually help fund conservation.

    I am only guessing here but I'm sure the meat from this elephant will not be wasted whether to goes to feed humans or the animals in the park. So some good will have come from this hunt.

    I hunt, I shoot and I once tried fishing but I sucked at it.

    I doubt it, Africa is notoriously corrupt, the money will probably go into the pockets of whoever charged him thousands, and he was probably driven up to the animal (and at that size the elephant would be hard to miss,) everything was facilitated, all to probably get that glory picture in the end, doubt there was anything natural about the process. Also I don't see why owning a gun gives anyone the right to kill any animal (or person) rationalising it as fun is a poor justification. Yeah I do agree about meat eaters who selectively love animals, the same ones who rage about conditions of animals consumed in other countries, but don't acknowledge how their own meat is sourced, so ignorance is bliss I guess.
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    i guess the guy has a small ****...
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    (Original post by rock_climber86)
    It disgusts me but assuming you are a meat-eater, I don't see why you care so much? Billions of animals die every year so you meat-eating savages can eat meat. Think about that before you post fake posts pretending to feel compassion for this poor elephant. If you eat meat, your compassion towards other living animals is a fake compassion.

    You cannot honestly believe that by participating in the death and destruction and suffering of countless other animal species makes you a good person just because you apparently seem to care about the fate of this elephant? :rolleyes:

    That goes to all the savage meat-eating idiots reading this!
    yawn. let me begin:
    to begin with i am 16, this means i live under my parents house and follow their rules.When i leave home i intend to be vegetarian but even now i hardly eat any meat at all. I can't remember the last time i ate any other meat rather than fish or chicken (yes battery farming i know, my parents buy free range but yes i know it is killed and stuff). Of course i think about the animals that die in this process hence why i am becoming vegetarian when go to uni. Don't patronise me like this please.
    Your post is laughable. For starters your assumptions are ridicuolus this is not a 'fake post' pretending to feel compassion, i feel compassion for all animals and only highlighted this in particular as it was on BBC news and i think it is appaling that someone would take such joy out of killing another creature like this then take pictures to inflate their ego.
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    It's a pity he didn't get trampled by a herd of elephants.
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    Ah, humanz...

    We've done worse, lol.
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    (Original post by rock_climber86)
    It disgusts me but assuming you are a meat-eater, I don't see why you care so much? Billions of animals die every year so you meat-eating savages can eat meat. Think about that before you post fake posts pretending to feel compassion for this poor elephant. If you eat meat, your compassion towards other living animals is a fake compassion.

    You cannot honestly believe that by participating in the death and destruction and suffering of countless other animal species makes you a good person just because you apparently seem to care about the fate of this elephant? :rolleyes:

    That goes to all the savage meat-eating idiots reading this!
    You are quite unhinged and seem to have emotional issues.

    EDIT: was on the thread about tax credits, saw the below and remembered this thread lol:

    (Original post by rock_climber86)
    I know a guy that would kick your head in for a fiver. Actually I know many of my old school mates that'd do it for free
    You seem like a lovely, mentally stable fella with no issues what so ever.
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    (Original post by DarkMagic)
    most of the meat people eat come from animals that are bred for that purpose.
    I'm sure that makes the chickens feel a lot better about being killed :elefant:
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    Of course I can see why this is such an emotive topic for people but at the end of the day;

    ''In October 2013 it was discovered that poachers killed a large number of African elephants with cyanide after poisoning their waterhole. Two aerial surveys were carried to determine the extent of the deaths, and 19 carcasses were identified in the first survey and a further 84 carcasses in the second survey.''

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hwange...hing_incidents

    Zimbabwe is obviously an extremely poor country...how's Hwange National Park supposed to fund highly trained and professional game wardens, let alone give them good enough wages that they aren't easily tempted by bribes from the poachers?

    It might sound brutal and cynical but if these animals weren't treated like a commodity they'd be treated like pests (a herd of elephants can do a hell of a lot of damage to poor farmers maize crop...that's probably the difference between his family scraping a living or starving to death).

    Sure It'd be great if that came in the form of tourists shooting at them with cameras rather than rifles...but who really wants to visit Zimbabwe when there are plenty of other bits of Southern Africa where you (a least a little) less likely to get murdered?

    So realistically it's the best of a bad situation?
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    (Original post by rock_climber86)
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    If you eat meat, whether it's a lot or a little, then you are part of the industry that necessitates the torture and murder of animals. Whether we breed them or not for meat is not the question. YOU eat meat, so THEY KILL it, so YOU can eat it. YOU have blood on your hands. Think about it. Because people like you eat meat, some poor little animal is being murdered in cold blood.
    Ok. If I raised my own pigs, gave them the best life ever and then slaughtered them in the most humane way possible and used every single part of them for something, would you consider me a cold blooded killer? Would you consider me the same as somebody who buys their pork from Tescos? Would you compare it to this elephant's situation?

    Your problem should be with the meat industry. Not every meat eater supports it.

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    (Original post by CoolCavy)
    (yes battery farming i know, my parents buy free range but yes i know it is killed
    Battery farming is illegal.
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    (Original post by CoolCavy)
    yawn. let me begin:
    to begin with i am 16, this means i live under my parents house and follow their rules.When i leave home i intend to be vegetarian but even now i hardly eat any meat at all. I can't remember the last time i ate any other meat rather than fish or chicken (yes battery farming i know, my parents buy free range but yes i know it is killed and stuff). Of course i think about the animals that die in this process hence why i am becoming vegetarian when go to uni. Don't patronise me like this please.
    Your post is laughable. For starters your assumptions are ridicuolus this is not a 'fake post' pretending to feel compassion, i feel compassion for all animals and only highlighted this in particular as it was on BBC news and i think it is appaling that someone would take such joy out of killing another creature like this then take pictures to inflate their ego.
    your reply is laughable. You cannot eat meat and have compassion for a dead animal. That's hypocritical. Also dairy cows suffer immensely so people have have milk so vegetarianism isn't much better in my opinion. If you truly care about animals you would go vegan. I don't buy the argument that you are living with your parents so cannot stop eating meat - that's rubbish. I live with my parents and i've become a vegan when they are not. You just don't care about animals enough to stop eating/consuming animal products. When you become a vegan I will take your 'compassion' towards animals seriously.
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    (Original post by Moonstruck16)
    Ok. If I raised my own pigs, gave them the best life ever and then slaughtered them in the most humane way possible and used every single part of them for something, would you consider me a cold blooded killer? Would you consider me the same as somebody who buys their pork from Tescos? Would you compare it to this elephant's situation?

    Your problem should be with the meat industry. Not every meat eater supports it.

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    yes. You are even more sadistic than those people that don't kill their own animals because you actively partake in the torture and murder or animals. I can't believe you have first hand experience of killing another living being and feel that it is alright to do so.

    You are worse than the people who buy their meat from the supermarket. At least they can feign ignorance of how animals die. You don't even have that excuse.
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    Trophy hunters are cowards. What I would pay to hunt them, now that would be fun picking them off one by one. Hopefully I live long enough to see that happen.
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    (Original post by hellodave5)
    Ah, humanz...

    We've done worse, lol.
    But there is just no reason for it. It serves no purpose to hunt for sport. There is no economic, social, political, environmental or demographic benefit. The tourism industry has brought in ten times the amount hunting has.
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    (Original post by rock_climber86)
    I can't believe you have first hand experience of killing another living being and feel that it is alright to do so.
    I've shot before...rabbits...pheasants...p igeons

    I can't believe you're seriously so irate over it...

    but then again I can because nothing feels as satisfying as gratuitous self-righteousness...not just that you're morally superior to another person but their 'evil'...lol
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    (Original post by Triple-Sod)
    I've shot before...rabbits...pheasants...p igeons

    I can't believe you're seriously so irate over it...

    but then again I can because nothing feels as satisfying as gratuitous self-righteousness...not just that you're morally superior to another person but their evil...lol
    Whatever floats your boat sunny
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    (Original post by Gears265)
    But there is just no reason for it. It serves no purpose to hunt for sport. There is no economic, social, political, environmental or demographic benefit. The tourism industry has brought in ten times the amount hunting has.
    I know mate. It's a big shame!
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    (Original post by Hopple)
    If someone took on an elephant in hand to hand combat and won, I would be seriously impressed
    Such a karl pilkington thing to say. Made me laugh. Well done.
 
 
 
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