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    (Original post by Hydeman)
    ... the normal line of Islam and saying that Jesus was lifted to heaven by Allah and a doppelganger was put in his place and crucified.
    I know this is the wrong place to debate it, but can I just ask why??? What's the point of the crucifixion if not the fact that Jesus died to forgive our sins, and then rose again? It's like preparing to take an exam for years, and then when the exam day comes, getting someone else to sit it for you!
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    I know this is the wrong place to debate it, but can I just ask why??? What's the point of the crucifixion if not the fact that Jesus died to forgive our sins, and then rose again? It's like preparing to take an exam for years, and then when the exam day comes, getting someone else to sit it for you!
    What you say has a rather Christian slant to it -- I don't know why. It's just what Islam preaches. My explanation for both the Christian and Muslim interpretation of the crucifixion would be that they're both made up. The reason for Jesus's crucifixion, as far as I see it, is that the government of the day didn't like what he was saying and doing. There's no other reason from a secular standpoint.
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    (Original post by Hydeman)
    What you say has a rather Christian slant to it -- I don't know why. It's just what Islam preaches. My explanation for both the Christian and Muslim interpretation of the crucifixion would be that they're both made up. The reason for Jesus's crucifixion, as far as I see it, is that the government of the day didn't like what he was saying and doing. There's no other reason from a secular standpoint.
    When you say that the government didn't like what he was doing, do you know why? The Pharisees (the religious experts of the day) asked question after question, and he out-answered them, even following it up with unanswerable questions to them. On the day he entered into Jerusalem, and thousands met him on the way, and called him "King of the Jews", the Pharisees were terrified that he would take their power from them. They said "Soon the whole world will follow him," which was a surprising close prediction. They had him killed, which did nothing but increase his number of followers. The High Priest and other religious officials knew that he was resurrected, but, afraid of the people, they sent out a message to the public saying that his body had been stolen.

    Maybe that has a Christian slant, but that's unsurprising, given that I'm a Christian.
    I don't want to get aggressive, especially not on this thread (which was a very nice idea, btw), so don't feel pressured to reply, but if you want to have a debate, I'm sure we could do so elsewhere
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    (Original post by Treblebee)
    When you say that the government didn't like what he was doing, do you know why? The Pharisees (the religious experts of the day) asked question after question, and he out-answered them, even following it up with unanswerable questions to them. On the day he entered into Jerusalem, and thousands met him on the way, and called him "King of the Jews", the Pharisees were terrified that he would take their power from them. They said "Soon the whole world will follow him," which was a surprising close prediction. They had him killed, which did nothing but increase his number of followers. The High Priest and other religious officials knew that he was resurrected, but, afraid of the people, they sent out a message to the public saying that his body had been stolen.

    Maybe that has a Christian slant, but that's unsurprising, given that I'm a Christian.
    I don't want to get aggressive, especially not on this thread (which was a very nice idea, btw), so don't feel pressured to reply, but if you want to have a debate, I'm sure we could do so elsewhere
    Yes, I'm aware of the insecurities of the religious and political establishment of the time. I just meant it in the sense that, as far as I see it, it was because of that, not some profound exercise in forgiving the sins of mankind.

    I think it's best if we don't debate, because I doubt the outcome would be fruitful and, given the habits of the mods on this website, I would most likely get carded for some triviality. Have a nice day.
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    (Original post by Scrappy-coco)
    Alister McGrath.

    Anthony Flew (major atheist of 20th century but only converted to Deism, not Christianity. However he has gone new to say that the Resurrection is the best attested miracle in history and was close to pulling him to Christianity)

    Lee Strobel

    John Warwick Montgomery

    Francis Collins

    C.S Lewis

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    There is an amazing back story to Lee Strobel's conversion, I would say from what I know that most non-Christians have a supernatural encounter when meeting God either through reading the bible, hearing some preaching (like the Alpha Course etc) or quite literally asking God to make himself know to them and then experiencing his presence but this guy's wife became a Christian so he decided to do some research....

    http://www.washedred.com/content/?contentID=47
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lee_Strobel
 
 
 
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