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    The money is the aspect from which all else follows. Ignoring pay (and that includes future pay via exit ops) it is the most unenjoyable job in the world, mainly due to the hours, and zero people would put themselves through that torture (ok, maybe a few nut cases). Prestige, high calibre colleagues etc are just bonuses that are a corollary, an offshoot of and not independent of the high pay.
    If we lived in some kind of total socialist society where we all received standardised pay, I would put IB toward the very bottom of jobs I'd want to do, below dustbin collecting but above male prostitution. Who cares that you learn **** that's is not even interesting in it's own right, when you don't even get to have a life.
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    (Original post by dreamlover)
    The money is the aspect from which all else follows. Ignoring pay (and that includes future pay via exit ops) it is the most unenjoyable job in the world, mainly due to the hours, and zero people would put themselves through that torture (ok, maybe a few nut cases). Prestige, high calibre colleagues etc are just bonuses that are a corollary, an offshoot of and not independent of the high pay.
    If we lived in some kind of total socialist society where we all received standardised pay, I would put IB toward the very bottom of jobs I'd want to do, below dustbin collecting but above male prostitution. Who cares that you learn **** that's is not even interesting in it's own right, when you don't even get to have a life.
    LOOOL, I agree with most of this to be fair. I definitely wouldn't put it below dustbin collection nor would I place it near prostitution, if it weren't for the hours it'd be a very interesting job to do. Especially so if you enjoy finance!



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    LOOOL, I agree with most of this to be fair. I definitely wouldn't put it below dustbin collection nor would I place it near prostitution, if it weren't for the hours it'd be a very interesting job to do. Especially so if you enjoy finance!



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    yeah, for sure, if it weren't for the hours. It's a job of extremes in that, standardise the hours and pay, and it's your average, alright, fairly interesting job, add the hours and it's suddenly the worst job in the world (I'd genuinely rather do 40 hours of dustbin collection per week than 90/100 hours of anything), but then add the pay and exit ops and it shoots up to possibly the best job in the world.. (other than commercial barrister imo- as uber well paid but more interesting than finance and possibly entrepreneur).
    And yeah, it could be interesting as jobs go, but if someone told me they were reading up on all that **** but had no intention of going into it- they were just doing it out of interest, I'd seriously question my desire to hang around with said person. Finance is interesting because it is the personality of money (in the same way that you'd want to know about what makes a super fit but ultra dull girl tick, just because she's super fit) but most jobs are not interesting in their own right, like say, physics or arts or literature is for example (similarly you'd not be interested in the dull girl's personality for the sake of it).
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    (Original post by dreamlover)
    What kind of terrible place do you live that you can't even do gcses or a levels?
    I did maths, further maths, physics and philosophy and got straight As (no A*s back then). Why?
    IB is a good thing to aim for, it's where the money's at. But of course you knew that already, what other reason would anyone possibly be remotely interested in IB otherwise? It'd literally be the worst job in the world if it weren't for the pay. I'd rather be rubbish collector.
    lol ill tell you how **** my school is; the school lost the whole years of ict work so we had to do the whole gcse in 2 months they lost all my science work. my school was ****, the teachers were ****, so i didnt really have anyone to teach me properly. ive learnt more maths from youtube than i have from my school.

    and im guessing you did exams in like 2005. theyre so hard now but im willing to put in the hours to achieve it did you just do a **** load of practice questions and past papers for maths and further maths?
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    lol ill tell you how **** my school is; the school lost the whole years of ict work so we had to do the whole gcse in 2 months they lost all my science work. my school was ****, the teachers were ****, so i didnt really have anyone to teach me properly. ive learnt more maths from youtube than i have from my school.

    and im guessing you did exams in like 2005. theyre so hard now but im willing to put in the hours to achieve it did you just do a **** load of practice questions and past papers for maths and further maths?
    Wowsa, that's bad. Are they any different? I didn't think they changed that much over time, particularly maths. I didn't put that much time in, nothing outside of the college lessons (3/4 hours per week). So I doubt you'll need to put in 3/4 odd hours per day. We just went through the textbooks and we maybe did one past paper before exams. But essentially, yeah, that's all you can do. Honestly, you'll be fine self studying, particularly with your sis's help. Go for it.
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    (Original post by Bb^)
    With respect, were you expecting "buddies" and teambuilding? Long lunches and BFFs? Most feel that they spend enough time at work and would rather go in, get the job done and leave in the fastest time possible. Notwithstanding the unspoken requirements of networking that is. Whether you accept it or not networking is going to be critical to your getting paid, promoted and ultimately hired at other institutions. Embrace it and learn, like everything else, the way to do it as efficiently as possible.

    None of this precludes you making friends at work, but perhaps if the esprit de corps is one of the main reasons you joined, rather than the opportunities and interest for the career and the compensation it brings, you might want to consider a career that's a bit a bit less work-orientated? Or take up an out-of-work hobby perhaps?

    Either way, moving to another firm is not going to change that.

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    I was expecting more of a collaborative culture, not one where colleagues suck-up to seniors but treat everyone else like sh*t or where everyone has their own personal agenda which gives the team a very individualistic feel...people only talk if they need something doing etc..most people don't even bother asking how your weekend was or plans for for the weekend etc..team lunches and drinks are also non-existent..I've seen other teams on the floor where they have such a much better culture in what I've mentioned above, i.e team drinks/lunches, colleagues talk about non-work stuff. The silence just makes me feel uncomfortable even if my work output is good.
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    (Original post by dreamlover)
    yeah, for sure, if it weren't for the hours. It's a job of extremes in that, standardise the hours and pay, and it's your average, alright, fairly interesting job, add the hours and it's suddenly the worst job in the world (I'd genuinely rather do 40 hours of dustbin collection per week than 90/100 hours of anything), but then add the pay and exit ops and it shoots up to possibly the best job in the world.. (other than commercial barrister imo- as uber well paid but more interesting than finance and possibly entrepreneur).
    And yeah, it could be interesting as jobs go, but if someone told me they were reading up on all that **** but had no intention of going into it- they were just doing it out of interest, I'd seriously question my desire to hang around with said person. Finance is interesting because it is the personality of money (in the same way that you'd want to know about what makes a super fit but ultra dull girl tick, just because she's super fit) but most jobs are not interesting in their own right, like say, physics or arts or literature is for example (similarly you'd not be interested in the dull girl's personality for the sake of it).
    you phrased it pretty good. wrt prostitution, you still do in ibd, just that your pimp is the md throwing money at your numb head.
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    (Original post by Garib)
    I was expecting more of a collaborative culture, not one where colleagues suck-up to seniors but treat everyone else like sh*t or where everyone has their own personal agenda which gives the team a very individualistic feel...people only talk if they need something doing etc..most people don't even bother asking how your weekend was or plans for for the weekend etc..team lunches and drinks are also non-existent..I've seen other teams on the floor where they have such a much better culture in what I've mentioned above, i.e team drinks/lunches, colleagues talk about non-work stuff. The silence just makes me feel uncomfortable even if my work output is good.
    you knew this going in. Id say youre more conscious about your morals and ethics than most in ib, try getting out when you can before you become more miserable.
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    (Original post by Garib)
    I was expecting more of a collaborative culture, not one where colleagues suck-up to seniors but treat everyone else like sh*t or where everyone has their own personal agenda which gives the team a very individualistic feel
    Really, did you? IB attracts elitists. For elitists, social rules like respect and treating people, regardless of their social status, like equals are a pain in the arse.
    They see the world as a ladder and to them all that exists is the climb. In their view, things like equality and religion and spirituality are excuses people use to avoid seeing the ladder so they don't have to climb it. They want power, and to them empathy is a weakness. Why else is the world in the f'd up state it is in? Those in power don't care.

    But on a lighter note, haha, I don't mean to depress you- it's not going to be totally like that. Try and find a few nicer people (you can't be the only one) and be pro active about making friends with them. Take it as a learning experience, an achievement to stick it out and adapt.
    And to be fair, whilst friendliness wouldn't go amiss, insincere water-cooler chats about weekend plans are a bit lame. You're not missing out there. And whilst I do feel sorry for you, you so have a very enviable job, so don't lose sight of that.
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    (Original post by Garib)
    I was expecting more of a collaborative culture, not one where colleagues suck-up to seniors but treat everyone else like sh*t or where everyone has their own personal agenda which gives the team a very individualistic feel...people only talk if they need something doing etc..most people don't even bother asking how your weekend was or plans for for the weekend etc..team lunches and drinks are also non-existent..I've seen other teams on the floor where they have such a much better culture in what I've mentioned above, i.e team drinks/lunches, colleagues talk about non-work stuff. The silence just makes me feel uncomfortable even if my work output is good.
    You're just in a bad team - don't worry about it. Most of what is written here are generalisations but there are good teams out there, speak to people - see if you can find which teams they are and which banks they are at.
 
 
 
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