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Gay people living in Pakistan - BBC3 watch

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    (Original post by jeremy1988)
    It's about freedom of expression. It's one thing for Muslims to demand that we respect the rules of their religion in their own countries, but it's quite another to demand that we censor ourselves here in the West because we might express something that goes against Islam.

    You have to remember, here we allow people to do things like burn flags or spit on symbols they don't like. To draw caricatures of things we don't like.

    It's really as simple as us rebelling against the idea of respecting Islam and its values by refraining from actions that go against it. It's practically an insult to be asked to do so simply because Muslims have chosen to reside in our countries against our will, for the most part.

    I mean, really, what are you going to do next? Are you going to tell us we can't have pork? Are you going to force the women to cover their heads whether Muslim or not? How many of your beliefs are you going to impose on our society? Well, we don't want to respect your beliefs in our society, because we see it as ours rather than yours. It's that simple.

    To a non-Muslim, not being allowed to draw Mohammed is just the first step down a slippery slope that ends with being forced to put up with the restrictions of Islamic culture and respect its values to a much greater extent than we want.

    Perhaps that's paranoid, perhaps that's not realistic, but when you don't grow up in a religion as strict as Islam, the kind of demands the religion makes seem unacceptably brutal, harsh, and repressive. The religion itself resembles fascism, and frankly people of Western Europe hate tyranny.
    What i really want to reply I cannot say in case it's gets reported like yesterday. But you probably know what I want to say. Freedom of speech? You can say all that and if I reply someone on here will report me for implying "extremist views" so not really freedom. But nice to know your opinion.
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    why is this even a thing... first of all it's *people not GAY PEOPLE
    why do we have to bring their sexuality into this... they're not aliens you know ._.

    y'all make it look like there's a human... and then there's a GAY human

    I just don't get it cos you don't say there are vegetables and then there are carrots do you?

    and i think muslims all religious peeps need to chill the f out - if someone isn't hurting you they can do whatever they want regardless of your opinion on it. Just cos they like blue doesn't mean you have to like it... just respect their decision and do what you want.

    why is this so hard plz tell me
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    Err people draw cartoons of Mohammed and make documentaries of gay people within Islamic nations because they're perfectly entitled to do so.

    It's completely acceptable to expect followers of your religion to follow its rules, regulations and cultural norms. It's completely not acceptable to expect non-followers to do so. Most British (and other democratic nations) people consider that quite fascist and unreasonable hence the outrages.
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    (Original post by halal kebab5)
    another documentary to make pakistan look bad, bbc should make a documentary of sketty british girls that get abortions every few weeks
    Pretty sure Pakistan makes itself look bad without any help of the BBC.
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    (Original post by ZuluK)
    What i really want to reply I cannot say in case it's gets reported like yesterday. But you probably know what I want to say. Freedom of speech? You can say all that and if I reply someone on here will report me for implying "extremist views" so not really freedom. But nice to know your opinion.
    TSR is a private website owned by a company. It can censor whatever it wants.
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    (Original post by eoe)
    Then why do we Muslims get so sensitive and react to so badly.
    Same goes to the Prophet cartoons.
    Nah when it comes to cartoons that depict another persons religion in a mocking way that's just plain disrespectful. It's the same way if someone 'foreign' disrespected your country's flag. That doesnt mean that people should go and start a gun fight, but we should able to have the right to say whats been done and what we don't like about it.
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    (Original post by z33)
    why is this even a thing... first of all it's *people not GAY PEOPLE
    why do we have to bring their sexuality into this... they're not aliens you know ._.

    y'all make it look like there's a human... and then there's a GAY human

    I just don't get it cos you don't say there are vegetables and then there are carrots do you?

    and i think muslims all religious peeps need to chill the f out - if someone isn't hurting you they can do whatever they want regardless of your opinion on it. Just cos they like blue doesn't mean you have to like it... just respect their decision and do what you want.

    why is this so hard plz tell me
    There's still people in Pakistan that have different sexual orientations and are alive, personally when I've been there i haven't seen them be singled out or targeted as a part of hate crime. And as any other documentary it doesn't account for the whole of the country. Not the two to three villages and cities i have lived in.

    Also as for the muslim who need to chill out, i guess freedom of speech needs to introduced then, but it looks like if you say anything you get targeted for extremist views or targeting others. It's not hard to accept others. Our own prophet said not one person is above another, but we are all equal on this earth. People just havent come across those of us who just want equality and promote it.
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    I just watched the documentary on iPlayer and I have to say I'm shocked. It's appalling how those people are treated and how so many of their oppressors are two-faced enough to blindly follow their religion without any consideration for people's safety or human rights. Yes, it's another example of something that shows Pakistan in a bad light but I do think people need to be made aware of this, especially British Pakistanis who might have had similar experiences to the presenter.

    I laughed at the end when Mawaan complained to the imam that his anti-gay medicine wasn't working.
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    in which country gayism isn't applied!!!
    in every country there is a proportion of all types orientation lives and this highly influence by media...
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    (Original post by Ohtereeitsfarah)
    There's still people in Pakistan that have different sexual orientations and are alive, personally when I've been there i haven't seen them be singled out or targeted as a part of hate crime. And as any other documentary it doesn't account for the whole of the country. Not the two to three villages and cities i have lived in.

    Also as for the muslim who need to chill out, i guess freedom of speech needs to introduced then, but it looks like if you say anything you get targeted for extremist views or targeting others. It's not hard to accept others. Our own prophet said not one person is above another, but we are all equal on this earth. People just havent come across those of us who just want equality and promote it.
    i am from Pakistan myself and haven't come across gayism or anything related to the same orientation
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    can anyone send me the link of that documentary??
 
 
 
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