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    Show them the calculations of how much GEM costs. Assuming you get the max loan, its £9k tuition fee and £8k maintenance loan. Thats £17k per year. Thats £51k just for your undergrad. As it stands now the first year of GEM you need £3465 up front for fees and loan for rest. NHS pays that amount the next 3 years. So in tuition fee loans thats £22k for GEM. Then if you get £8k maintenance (assuming it will extend to GEM courses too), your total for GEM comes to £54140. So £100k of debt to be a doctor.
    Compared to £9k x 4 for undergrad tuition plus approx £35k in maintenance (as NHS takes over in 5th year). Its a considerable saving.

    Also look up the competition ratios for GEM. There are far fewer places and you can end up with 3 or 4 more times the applicantlace ratio than for Undergrad (if not more).

    But what it boils down to, is it isn't really up to them. If you want to do Medicine, the best option is to get AAA and take a gap year. They can't force you to go to university. Tell them that medical students and doctors have advised you thats the best path to take
    Great, I'll use this information and bring it up again tonight. The emboldened statement is perfect, seeing as I've just done my work experience at the hospital, that's convincing. I think I need to just grow some balls :eek:
    Thanks You must be sick of talking to me about this. It's not the first time we've had this conversation.
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    Great, I'll use this information and bring it up again tonight. The emboldened statement is perfect, seeing as I've just done my work experience at the hospital, that's convincing. I think I need to just grow some balls :eek:
    Thanks You must be sick of talking to me about this. It's not the first time we've had this conversation.
    To be honest, a lot of people have that struggle so I didn't realise we had.

    If you want use this convo as proof. I'm a med student (GEM in fact, but I didn't realise until my mid twenties that I wanted to do medicine) and if I were in your shoes I wouldn't dream of aiming for GEM, without at least giving undergrad a good go.

    Plus gap years can be great You grow up/gain life experience, save money, gain independence, the chance to see the world. And I think it can be great to have a break from education, as medicine is so full on.
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    To be honest, a lot of people have that struggle so I didn't realise we had.

    If you want use this convo as proof. I'm a med student (GEM in fact, but I didn't realise until my mid twenties that I wanted to do medicine) and if I were in your shoes I wouldn't dream of aiming for GEM, without at least giving undergrad a good go.

    Plus gap years can be great You grow up/gain life experience, save money, gain independence, the chance to see the world. And I think it can be great to have a break from education, as medicine is so full on.
    I used the information you gave and talked to my mum and stepdad about this more. I feel like I've made some progress this time. My mum seems like she agrees with me, but my stepdad isn't very happy with me at the moment. He keeps arguing that most people who take gap years end up never going to university. He sees it as a wasted year.
    I wouldn't use the year to travel, but I want to make as much use of the time as possible. I'd want to get a part time job to help with money (this is a big worry, I'm concerned I wouldn't be able to get one), get more experience working in a caring environment, and work on practising for my UKCAT and interview skills. On top of that, I'd want a way to keep on top of studying and learning throughout the year.
    If you have any advice for those goals I'd be grateful.
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    (Original post by pineneedles)
    I used the information you gave and talked to my mum and stepdad about this more. I feel like I've made some progress this time. My mum seems like she agrees with me, but my stepdad isn't very happy with me at the moment. He keeps arguing that most people who take gap years end up never going to university. He sees it as a wasted year.
    I wouldn't use the year to travel, but I want to make as much use of the time as possible. I'd want to get a part time job to help with money (this is a big worry, I'm concerned I wouldn't be able to get one), get more experience working in a caring environment, and work on practising for my UKCAT and interview skills. On top of that, I'd want a way to keep on top of studying and learning throughout the year.
    If you have any advice for those goals I'd be grateful.
    You could try and get a job as a care assistant, either in the hospital or in a nursing home etc. Its great for applications, work experience and gives you an insight in to patient care thats hard to get elsewhere.
    Don't worry about that, any job (even Tescos etc) will give you valuable experience in dealing with people (outside of teachers, friends, family etc) and just general life experience.

    Don't worry about staying on top of studying. Med school will teach you everything you need to know and lots of people take gap years and settle in to medicine with very little difficulty. You have to sit the UKCAT in the summer, so thats out of the way.

    Don't rule out travel completely. It might be worth thinking about saving some of the money to spend a few weeks travelling at the end of the year. You won't get too many opportunities like this.

    Don't worry too much about planning every detail of your gap year. Unless you spend every day, all day, lounging around at home, it won't be a wasted year!
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    You could try and get a job as a care assistant, either in the hospital or in a nursing home etc. Its great for applications, work experience and gives you an insight in to patient care thats hard to get elsewhere.
    Don't worry about that, any job (even Tescos etc) will give you valuable experience in dealing with people (outside of teachers, friends, family etc) and just general life experience.

    Don't worry about staying on top of studying. Med school will teach you everything you need to know and lots of people take gap years and settle in to medicine with very little difficulty. You have to sit the UKCAT in the summer, so thats out of the way.

    Don't rule out travel completely. It might be worth thinking about saving some of the money to spend a few weeks travelling at the end of the year. You won't get too many opportunities like this.

    Don't worry too much about planning every detail of your gap year. Unless you spend every day, all day, lounging around at home, it won't be a wasted year!
    I spent a while looking at care assistant jobs, managed to find some vacancies so when it comes to it I don't think it'll be too hard after all. I've also started a C.V. It's good to know people don't generally struggle settling back into education after gap years.
    I might be more open to the idea of travelling once I have a good plan in place. And to be honest though, spending all day lounging sounds like a nice idea at the moment, I feel exhausted
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    Thanks, I worry a bit because some people have hours and hours and hours. But yes, quality not quantity.
    Doesnt matter how long it is, its still experience
 
 
 
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