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    (Original post by HepaxLegomenon)
    How exactly?
    I take it you have never actually listened to the song nor looked into the stuff behind it? Or ever heard Thicke speak about it?
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    What do you mean? When you nod your head yes, but you wanna say no?
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    (Original post by TheonlyMrsHolmes)
    No, it has everything to do with rape, have you heard the lyrics? I'm not just making this up.
    You are just assuming things, typical feminist making invalid accusations.
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    (Original post by SmallTownGirl)
    Blurred Lines was rape apologism. People weren't complaining about the video, it was the 'I know you want it' ****.
    It's far from being the worst thing ever said in a song.
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    (Original post by SmashConcept)
    Some of those lyrics are wrong.
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    [Intro - Pharrell & Robin Thicke:]
    Everybody get up, WOO!
    Everybody get up, WOO!
    Hey, hey, hey
    Hey, hey, hey
    WOO!
    Hey, hey, hey
    WOO!

    [Verse 1 - Robin Thicke:]
    If you can't hear what I'm trying to say
    If you can't read from the same page
    Maybe I'm going deaf
    Maybe I'm going blind
    Maybe I'm out of my mind
    [Pharrell:] Everybody get up

    [Bridge - Robin Thicke:]
    Ok, now he was close
    Tried to domesticate you
    But you're an animal
    Baby, it's in your nature
    Just let me liberate you
    You don't need no papers
    That man is not your maker
    And that's why I'm gon' take a

    [Hook - Robin Thicke:]
    Good girl
    I know you want it
    I know you want it
    I know you want it
    You're a good girl
    Can't let it get past me
    You're far from plastic
    Talk about getting blasted
    I hate these blurred lines
    I know you want it
    I know you want it
    I know you want it
    But you're a good girl
    The way you grab me
    Must wanna get nasty
    Go ahead, get at me
    [Pharrell:] Everybody get up

    [Verse 2 - Robin Thicke:]
    What do they make dreams for
    When you got them jeans on
    What do we need steam for
    You the hottest ***** in this place
    I feel so lucky,
    Hey, hey, hey
    You wanna hug me
    Hey, hey, hey
    What rhymes with hug me?
    Hey, hey, hey
    Hey!

    [Bridge]

    [Hook]

    [Verse 3 - T.I.:]
    Hustle Gang Homie
    One thing I ask of you
    Lemme be the one you back that ass up to
    From Malibu to Paris boo
    Had a *****, but she ain't bad as you
    So, hit me up when you pass through
    I'll give you something big enough to tear your ass in two
    Swag on 'em even when you dress casual
    I mean, it's almost unbearable
    In a hundred years not dare would I
    Pull a Pharcyde, let you pass me by
    Nothin' like your last guy, he too square for you
    He don't smack that ass and pull your hair like that
    So I'm just watching and waitin'
    For you to salute the true big pimpin'
    Not many women can refuse this pimping
    I'm a nice guy, but don't get confused, this pimpin'

    [Breakdown - Robin Thicke:]
    Shake your rump
    Get down, get up-a
    Do it like it hurt, like it hurt
    What you don't like work
    Hey!

    [Verse 4 - Robin Thicke:]
    Baby, can you breathe
    I got this from Jamaica
    It always works for me
    Dakota to Decatur
    No more pretending
    Cause now you're winning
    Here's our beginning
    I always wanted a

    [Hook - Robin Thicke]

    [Outro - Pharrell & Robin Thicke:]
    Everybody get up, WOO!
    Everybody get up
    Hey, hey, hey
    Hey, hey, hey
    Hey, hey, hey[Intro - Pharrell & Robin Thicke:]
    Everybody get up, WOO!
    Everybody get up, WOO!
    Hey, hey, hey
    Hey, hey, hey
    WOO!
    Hey, hey, hey
    WOO!

    [Verse 1 - Robin Thicke:]
    If you can't hear what I'm trying to say
    If you can't read from the same page
    Maybe I'm going deaf
    Maybe I'm going blind
    Maybe I'm out of my mind
    [Pharrell:] Everybody get up

    [Bridge - Robin Thicke:]
    Ok, now he was close
    Tried to domesticate you
    But you're an animal
    Baby, it's in your nature
    Just let me liberate you
    You don't need no papers
    That man is not your maker
    And that's why I'm gon' take a

    [Hook - Robin Thicke:]
    Good girl
    I know you want it
    I know you want it
    I know you want it
    You're a good girl
    Can't let it get past me
    You're far from plastic
    Talk about getting blasted
    I hate these blurred lines
    I know you want it
    I know you want it
    I know you want it
    But you're a good girl
    The way you grab me
    Must wanna get nasty
    Go ahead, get at me
    [Pharrell:] Everybody get up

    [Verse 2 - Robin Thicke:]
    What do they make dreams for
    When you got them jeans on
    What do we need steam for
    You the hottest ***** in this place
    I feel so lucky,
    Hey, hey, hey
    You wanna hug me
    Hey, hey, hey
    What rhymes with hug me?
    Hey, hey, hey
    Hey!

    [Bridge]

    [Hook]

    [Verse 3 - T.I.:]
    Hustle Gang Homie
    One thing I ask of you
    Lemme be the one you back that ass up to
    From Malibu to Paris boo
    Had a *****, but she ain't bad as you
    So, hit me up when you pass through
    I'll give you something big enough to tear your ass in two
    Swag on 'em even when you dress casual
    I mean, it's almost unbearable
    In a hundred years not dare would I
    Pull a Pharcyde, let you pass me by
    Nothin' like your last guy, he too square for you
    He don't smack that ass and pull your hair like that
    So I'm just watching and waitin'
    For you to salute the true big pimpin'
    Not many women can refuse this pimping
    I'm a nice guy, but don't get confused, this pimpin'

    [Breakdown - Robin Thicke:]
    Shake your rump
    Get down, get up-a
    Do it like it hurt, like it hurt
    What you don't like work
    Hey!

    [Verse 4 - Robin Thicke:]
    Baby, can you breathe
    I got this from Jamaica
    It always works for me
    Dakota to Decatur
    No more pretending
    Cause now you're winning
    Here's our beginning
    I always wanted a

    [Hook - Robin Thicke]

    [Outro - Pharrell & Robin Thicke:]
    Everybody get up, WOO!
    Everybody get up
    Hey, hey, hey
    Hey, hey, hey
    Hey, hey, hey

    "That man is not your maker" means the guy she's currently with isn't a God and shouldn't be controlling her.

    "Shake your rump
    Get down, get up-a
    Do it like it hurt, like it hurt
    What you don't like work
    Hey!"

    This appears to be a reference to dancing, not sex

    "I know you want it" is the only sketchy part of the song, and it's fine for people not to like it for that reason alone.

    "Baby, can you breathe
    I got this from Jamaica"

    You seem like a good, law abiding kid and I don't want to ruin that for you, but he isn't talking about choking her here.
    'Maker' or 'Mate' the intent was the same.

    Nope, I have always seen it as a reference to sex.

    'Baby, can you breathe...I got this from Jamaica' is about choking her
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    (Original post by slade p)
    You are just assuming things, typical feminist making invalid accusations.
    How are my arguments invalid, they are to you because you hate feminism LOL. I have valid points supporting my arguments, thankyou very much!

    I am a feminist
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    (Original post by HepaxLegomenon)
    It's very popular these days to complain about the 'sexual objectification' of women in the media...

    All hell broke loose in 2013 when the music video for Robin Thicke's song 'Blurred Lines' was released. Just look at the comments section for the video on YouTube. There are comments which even suggest that Thicke himself is a rapist -- all for dancing with some pretty girls for a music video. Yet when the video for Drake's 'Hotline Bling' is released over two years later no one bats an eyelid at the 'objectification' of women in Drake's video. Out of the two, I'd presume Drake's video to be the most offensive (though of course I don't find it offensive) considering the women in this video are just filmed standing on a spot or dancing a bit -- whereas in Thicke's video the women were allowed to basically have a personality.

    Why don't people (in particular feminists) care about Drake's video? Is it because Drake is already very popular? I've come to the conclusion that it's because the girls in Drake's video are a bit heavier than the girls in Thicke's videos. The women in Drake's video probably look more similar to the average woman -- and therefore the average feminist. So bearing all of what I've just written in mind, I've decided that this whole trend of complaining about 'sexually objectified' women is all about ego. And it is probably a trend that won't last too much longer.

    I will refrain from elaborating as I've already written two paragraph; but what do you think? I'd love to discuss this.
    I definitely think it's because Drake is black - if feminists spoke against the video people would pull out the race card and give feminists a worse image than they already have. It's sad that some people are ashamed to admit to being a feminist simply because SOME feminists misunderstand the true meaning and because of this ALOT of people misunderstand the true meaning and assume it's the hatred of men. I personally think it's down to the whole prefix of the word 'feminists' being 'femi' which instantly towers towards the womens side
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    (Original post by HepaxLegomenon)
    That video is typical of third wave feminists. A couple of white middle class women, whose only experience with the 'patriarchy' is being catcalled. Is a music video really why we need feminism? Does the developed world need feminism at all? I generally think not.
    Oh stop complaining. It's a response to an absolutely disgusting video. Actually, I think it does. Third wave? Not at all.
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    (Original post by ivybridge)
    Why we need feminism:



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    Lmao I love it!!!
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    (Original post by TheonlyMrsHolmes)
    'Baby, can you breathe...I got this from Jamaica' is about choking her
    lol... it really, really isn't. I don't want to explain what comes from Jamaica and makes it difficult to breathe and is often referenced in pop songs, so just trust me. He isn't choking her.

    You sound like the kind of person who listens to the radio edit of Trap Queen and thinks "gosh, these two sure will have to sell a lot of pies if they want to end up with matching Lamborghinis! I wonder what all those censored words are about."
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    (Original post by HepaxLegomenon)
    That video is typical of third wave feminists. A couple of white middle class women, whose only experience with the 'patriarchy' is being catcalled. Is a music video really why we need feminism? Does the developed world need feminism at all? I generally think not.
    Yes it does.

    So do the developing, un-developed worlds.

    And you don't know that!
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    46 years ago, Led Zeppelin released Whole Lotta Love. The lyrics were more explicit and "blurred" imo.
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    "Whole Lotta Love"
    You need coolin', baby, I'm not foolin',
    I'm gonna send you back to schoolin',
    Way down inside honey, you need it,
    I'm gonna give you my love,
    I'm gonna give you my love.

    [Chorus]
    Wanna Whole Lotta Love [X4]

    You've been learnin', baby, I've been yearnin',
    All them good times, baby, baby, I've been yearnin',
    Way, way down inside honey, you need it,
    I'm gonna give you my love... I'm gonna give you my love.

    [Chorus]

    You've been coolin', baby, I've been droolin',
    All the good times I've been misusin',
    Way, way down inside, I'm gonna give you my love,
    I'm gonna give you every inch of my love,
    Gonna give you my love.

    [Chorus]

    Way down inside... woman... You need... love.

    Shake for me, girl. I wanna be your backdoor man.
    Keep it coolin', baby.
    I'm surprised nobody has asked its ban yet. I'm sure we can find countless other songs about "men objectifying women".
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    (Original post by HepaxLegomenon)
    What would you want to see happen to Thicke's song/music video? Censor it?
    In all honesty, I don't think it should have been permitted to be released. That's my personal opinion.
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    (Original post by SmashConcept)
    lol... it really, really isn't. I don't want to explain what comes from Jamaica and makes it difficult to breathe and is often referenced in pop songs, so just trust me. He isn't choking her.

    You sound like the kind of person who listens to the radio edit of Trap Queen and thinks "gosh, these two sure will have to sell a lot of pies if they want to end up with matching Lamborghinis! I wonder what all those censored words are about."
    No , Lmao you just made me laugh though even if that was an insult directed at me :laugh:

    I know what comes from Jamaica and I know what he is talking about, but in reference to the song, combined with the rest of the lyrics it gives a bad impression and adds to the rape apologism. That is what I am saying and I know it's referenced in a lot of pop songs but it's easier to look past because other lyrics don't point to rape and no consent.
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    (Original post by HepaxLegomenon)
    You think it should've been censored to the extent of not even being allowed to be released? Oh my.
    You don't think so? Oh my.
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