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    (Original post by RollerBall)
    I don't think I'm the one who's having my ego threatened after this little outburst. Do what you like mate.

    Not sure why everyone is jumping to ad hominems of bitterness and jealosy, it's just a peice of advice from somebody who's been there - take it or leave it.
    will be leaving it but thanks for the input
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    It's unlikely to "count" towards any formal elective that you have to complete later on in your course. I suspect that "elective" in this case just identifies you as a medical student (with associated privileges) instead of an overseas observer or work experience student. It's likely that people who are merely "shadowing" cannot touch patients, scrub, undertake invasive procedures, etc.

    I don't agree with some of the others that this is wasted time. It is certainly not something you have to do but you're obviously free to spend your holiday however you like. A career in cardiothoracics does require a pathological degree of commitment and you are likely to pick up opportunities (contacts, research, even clinical experience) if you live and breathe the specialty between now and then.

    I undertook short attachments in clinical specialties outside the catchment area of my medical school when I was a pre-clinical student, including cardiothoracics. I now work in one of the specialist centres that I visited on a self-organised "elective".

    I do agree that you should be cautious about pigeon holing yourself too early. Many students (particularly gunner surgical types) find that they have created such a splendid surgical identity/pedigree that it's hard to liberate themselves to pursue something they actually prefer later on. Take control of your own career (regardless of what others tell you) but keep an open mind as well.

    PS. For fun www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mrlnh3vebSc and www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nb_-vFrebkg
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    (Original post by Democracy)
    It sounds like you've already made up your mind and are just looking for people to tell you "go get 'em champ". This is a bit of a recurring theme with some of your posts. People are not being passive aggressive, but most of us are senior medical students and our experiences do count for something. Presumably that's why you've made this thread. If you're not going to take it on board, why ask?

    I would agree with the general consensus that it won't be a particularly effective use of your time. I would never fault your enthusiasm and indeed, in my first clinical year, I would regularly go down to A&E/MAU and clerk patients without being told (I want to go into EM, so I'm also keen on new experiences and getting stuck in).

    HOWEVER, this was only on days when I'd come in and there was nothing happening on my actual ward or teaching had been cancelled or something. There was no way in hell I'd go in during the holidays or the weekends or whatever to spend extra time in the ED like one of our gunners likes to do. That's mental - there's a time and a place for everything.

    I would also add that I was in clinical years so I'd already gained the necessary pre-clinical knowledge and skills in history taking and examination. It was also a good opportunity to practice doing bloods and cannulas - something no first year would ever be allowed to do. Neither would you be allowed to participate in the ward round, clerk patients, do the paperwork for the juniors or any of the other things which clinical students are encouraged to do on placement. So what are you getting from it?

    In summary, I don't see what you will gain from the placement, either from an educational perspective (how much cardiovascular anatomy/physiology/pharmacology etc will you really know after a term of pre-clinical medicine? Let alone the clinical stuff) or from a careers perspective. It won't do you any harm (apart from using up your time off) but neither will it give you a leg up a decade down the line when you're applying to surgical specialty training.
    Did you even read the OP, or did you just want to join in on ferris wheel of negative/resentful comments and put your own two cents in as a 'senior medical student'? Why I made this thread was to ask a specific simply question; "Can someone also explain the exact differences in roles the student is expected to play in shadowing vs elective placement" Expecting someone to reply with a clear answer. only a few people actually answered the question with helpful responses. That was that. But for whatever reason quite a lot of "senior medical students" showed up just wanting to stroke their egos and remind the keen first year that he's no match for them. lol.

    Thanks for the comments anyway. Guess I'll just have to live with the fact that senior medical students dont approve of my 'gunner' ways. happy to live with that
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    Did you even read the OP, or did you just want to join in on ferris wheel of negative/resentful comments and put your own two cents in as a 'senior medical student'? Why I made this thread was to ask a specific simply question; "Can someone also explain the exact differences in roles the student is expected to play in shadowing vs elective placement" Expecting someone to reply with a clear answer. only a few people actually answered the question with helpful responses. That was that. But for whatever reason quite a lot of "senior medical students" showed up just wanting to stroke their egos and remind the keen first year that he's no match for them. lol.

    Thanks for the comments anyway. Guess I'll just have to live with the fact that senior medical students dont approve of my 'gunner' ways. happy to live with that
    I cba to deal with your tantrum. To quote every sorority girl ever: I can't even.

    Go get 'em champ
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    (Original post by MonteCristo)
    It's unlikely to "count" towards any formal elective that you have to complete later on in your course. I suspect that "elective" in this case just identifies you as a medical student (with associated privileges) instead of an overseas observer or work experience student. It's likely that people who are merely "shadowing" cannot touch patients, scrub, undertake invasive procedures, etc.

    I don't agree with some of the others that this is wasted time. It is certainly not something you have to do but you're obviously free to spend your holiday however you like. A career in cardiothoracics does require a pathological degree of commitment and you are likely to pick up opportunities (contacts, research, even clinical experience) if you live and breathe the specialty between now and then.

    I undertook short attachments in clinical specialties outside the catchment area of my medical school when I was a pre-clinical student, including cardiothoracics. I now work in one of the specialist centres that I visited on a self-organised "elective".

    I do agree that you should be cautious about pigeon holing yourself too early. Many students (particularly gunner surgical types) find that they have created such a splendid surgical identity/pedigree that it's hard to liberate themselves to pursue something they actually prefer later on. Take control of your own career (regardless of what others tell you) but keep an open mind as well.

    PS. For fun www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mrlnh3vebSc and www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nb_-vFrebkg
    Hey thanks for the reply and sharing your experience Congrats on getting a post in that specialist centre! And thanks for the advice

    #GunningSinceDayOne (and proud)
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    (Original post by Democracy)
    I cba to deal with your tantrum. To quote every sorority girl ever: I can't even.

    Go get 'em champ
    Thanks for the encouragement, will do
 
 
 
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