A century ago, 900,000 British men died during the war. How many women?(Original post by Attics)
You can say you believe in equal rights once equal rights have been achieved.
Ignoring the fact that females are the gender that are the underprivileged, underserved gender and skipping right to 'I believe in equal rights' fixes nothing.
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(Original post by Attics)
Ignoring the fact that females are the gender that are the underprivileged, underserved gender and skipping right to 'I believe in equal rights' fixes nothing. -
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I don't give a rats what other people define me as, while I believe in equality under the law I would not be seen dead advocating for the current feminist movement which is more or less an anti straight white male movement.
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(Original post by Attics)
I believe that it is discrimanatory and law-wise oppressing.
and believe it or not , it was once a topic of discussion on a feminist blog.(called guhrrls , i think)
Also it sums up the academic narrowness of this subject when the only time such an issue such as this (oppression of men in terms of conscription) has come to be discussed in feminist circles is in a blog. Which is why I said that the definition of "feminism" is still hotly debated in academia - it is not yet encompassing of all equality issues. -
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(Original post by Attics)
I believe that it is discrimanatory and law-wise oppressing.
and believe it or not , it was once a topic of discussion on a feminist blog.(called guhrrls , i think)
Unfortunately these upper middle class women decided the appropriate feminist response would be to conduct the white feather campaign, in order to shame the working class men who were not fighting and dying to safeguard the cosseted lives of the women's class. -
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(Original post by Josb)
A century ago, 900,000 British men died during the war. How many women?
does that mean that these men were oppressed , underpriviledged , discriminated against ? Yes.
But a century ago :
Women didnt have health insurance
They couldnts vote
They couldnt inherit equally
They couldnt vote
In 1941 The National Service Act was passed introducing conscription for women.All unmarried women between the ages of 20 and 30 are called up forwar work. It was later extended to include women up to age 43 andmarried women, though pregnant women and those with youngchildren can be exempt.
does that mean that these women were more oppressed , underpriviledged , discriminated against ? Yes. -
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It was also once a topic of discussion among contemporary feminists such as Emmeline Pankhurst and the suffragettes.
Unfortunately these upper middle class women decided the appropriate feminist response would be to conduct the white feather campaign, in order to shame the working class men who were not fighting and dying to safeguard the cosseted lives of the women's class. -
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(Original post by Attics)
Its because women are being oppressed and like I said yesterday in another post : its like the 'Black Lives Matter' movement.
it was made to highlight the struggle PoC went through only to be shut down by white people using the 'All Lives Matter' movement and saying that not only black people matter.
someone proclaiming that a specific group of lives matter is not saying other lives don't matter , black people are the most underpriviledged.
"It is not an act of egalitarianism or a relevant or even important point. Obviously all lives matter. That does not need said.But we live in a world where Black men, women, and children are being killed in the streets with impunity."
You can say you believe in equal rights once equal rights have been achieved.
Ignoring the fact that females are the gender that are the underprivileged, underserved gender and skipping right to 'I believe in equal rights' fixes nothing.Last edited by It's****ingWOODY; 11-11-2015 at 16:59. -
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(Original post by Attics)
does that mean that these men were oppressed , underpriviledged , discriminated against ? Yes.
But a century ago :
Women didnt have health insurance
They couldnts vote
They couldnt inherit equally
They couldnt vote
In 1941 The National Service Act was passed introducing conscription for women.All unmarried women between the ages of 20 and 30 are called up forwar work. It was later extended to include women up to age 43 andmarried women, though pregnant women and those with youngchildren can be exempt.
does that mean that these women were more oppressed , underpriviledged , discriminated against ? Yes. -
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(Original post by Attics)
does that mean that these men were oppressed , underpriviledged , discriminated against ? Yes.
But a century ago :
Women didnt have health insurance
They couldnts vote
They couldnt inherit equally
They couldnt vote
In 1941 The National Service Act was passed introducing conscription for women.All unmarried women between the ages of 20 and 30 are called up forwar work. It was later extended to include women up to age 43 andmarried women, though pregnant women and those with youngchildren can be exempt.
does that mean that these women were more oppressed , underpriviledged , discriminated against ? Yes.
Have the look at the death rate of conscripted men in comparison to conscripted women, in both wars.Last edited by AlwaysWatching; 11-11-2015 at 17:01. -
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If you believe that women are oppressed more than men are in the current western world, you are totally deluded. If you compare the privileges of men and women on a privilege by privilege basis, the number of privileges experienced by women far outweighs that of the male gender. -
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A century ago, most working class men couldn't vote, didn't have health insurance, didn't have a lot of choice of where they could be employed and didn't have the choice of not going to war. What I am saying is systematic oppression isn't only directed at women.
and men could vote , but not the middle-class.
how many times do I have to say that men can also be discriminated against ?
women are more oppressed ffs -
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In what way ? -
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(Original post by Attics)
couldnt afford health insurance I suppose(havent looked it up)
and men could vote , but not the middle-class.
how many times do I have to say that men can also be discriminated against ?
women are more oppressed ffsLast edited by AlwaysWatching; 11-11-2015 at 17:09. -
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Is an explanation really needed? If you compare lists of the privileges of both genders, it's easy to see that women have at least as many privileges and rights as men. Rather the opposite of being more oppressed.
my feminist brain cant see it. -
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(Original post by scrotgrot)
It was also once a topic of discussion among contemporary feminists such as Emmeline Pankhurst and the suffragettes.
Unfortunately these upper middle class women decided the appropriate feminist response would be to conduct the white feather campaign, in order to shame the working class men who were not fighting and dying to safeguard the cosseted lives of the women's class.
I do think however that forced conscription of men is a form of oppression that is directed towards the male gender, especially in wars like world war one.Last edited by ChaoticButterfly; 11-11-2015 at 18:26. -
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Before 1918 only 60% of male householders over the age of 21 had the vote. So no, men could not all vote. Nobody is saying that women aren't oppressed in certain ways. But there is no such thing as "more" or "less" oppression. There are only different forms of oppression. It isn't some sort of league table and a race to the top. There isn't anyway of measuring oppression, so how can you say, with evidence, that women are "more" oppressed? -
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So if you believe in that, you might just be a feminist.And because these ladies didn't have time to get into the whole "I'm not a feminist; I'm a humanist!" fallacy, I'll go ahead and go ahead and cover that — humanism is already a thing. In fact, it's actually several different varieties of thing, all loosely related to learning, education, and rational thought. It's not at all related to social power structures or the rights and freedoms of various groups.
And if you're still wondering why feminism doesn't have a different gender-neutral name, I'd say that if, after centuries upon centuries of women having their rights and freedoms trampled upon, you don't think women deserve a movement dedicated primarily (though not exclusively) to advocating for our interests and that is unashamed to label itself as such, then all I don't know what to tell you.So to all you "I'm not a feminists" out there, take a look at the video. I promise, feminism is not as scary as you think.
Honestly , girls (and guys , but specifically girls) if you dont think that you should be paid equally , treated equally , respected equally and not seen as just a sexual object. Then i'm sorry , you're a feminist. -
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(Original post by Attics)
there is , the amount of men's privileges vs women's.
There is no such thing as the "more" and "less" privileged sex. Not even in generic terms.Last edited by AlwaysWatching; 11-11-2015 at 17:22. -
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saying that "feminism means equality" "causes everybody to become a feminist", is like saying that "socialism means equality" means that everybody who believes in equality before the law becomes a communist. you can't just mis-define something so fundamentally anachronistic (the radical, misanthropic, far-left, misandristic, patriarchy-seeing, disgusting form of modern "feminism" ) and then pull it off as some kind of display of public agreement. again, if everybody said something like "teens need discipline and authority" doesn't mean we should conscript them into national service/a new war. genuine individual, legal and foundational equality and *that* kind of "equality" (which is actually not equality at all but rather a system whereby women have legal positive discrimination at every turn from the descriptions I constantly get from them themselves) are like the difference between a milk snake and a coral snake. you can use the same appearance (the word) but it's a completely different situation to all those who aren't morons.
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