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    (Original post by Attics)
    You can say you believe in equal rights once equal rights have been achieved.
    Ignoring the fact that females are the gender that are the underprivileged, underserved gender and skipping right to 'I believe in equal rights' fixes nothing.
    A century ago, 900,000 British men died during the war. How many women?
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    (Original post by Attics)
    Ignoring the fact that females are the gender that are the underprivileged, underserved gender and skipping right to 'I believe in equal rights' fixes nothing.
    Except that's not a fact, is it? Justify it.
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    I don't give a rats what other people define me as, while I believe in equality under the law I would not be seen dead advocating for the current feminist movement which is more or less an anti straight white male movement.
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    (Original post by Attics)
    I believe that it is discrimanatory and law-wise oppressing.
    and believe it or not , it was once a topic of discussion on a feminist blog.(called guhrrls , i think)
    Which is exactly the same as being "systematically and institutionally oppressed". It's okay to admit you have changed your mind and seen reason, nobodies going to have a go at you.

    Also it sums up the academic narrowness of this subject when the only time such an issue such as this (oppression of men in terms of conscription) has come to be discussed in feminist circles is in a blog. Which is why I said that the definition of "feminism" is still hotly debated in academia - it is not yet encompassing of all equality issues.
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    (Original post by Attics)
    I believe that it is discrimanatory and law-wise oppressing.
    and believe it or not , it was once a topic of discussion on a feminist blog.(called guhrrls , i think)
    It was also once a topic of discussion among contemporary feminists such as Emmeline Pankhurst and the suffragettes.

    Unfortunately these upper middle class women decided the appropriate feminist response would be to conduct the white feather campaign, in order to shame the working class men who were not fighting and dying to safeguard the cosseted lives of the women's class.
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    (Original post by Josb)
    A century ago, 900,000 British men died during the war. How many women?


    does that mean that these men were oppressed , underpriviledged , discriminated against ? Yes.

    But a century ago :
    Women didnt have health insurance
    They couldnts vote
    They couldnt inherit equally
    They couldnt vote
    In 1941 The National Service Act was passed introducing conscription for women.All unmarried women between the ages of 20 and 30 are called up forwar work. It was later extended to include women up to age 43 andmarried women, though pregnant women and those with youngchildren can be exempt.

    does that mean that these women were more oppressed , underpriviledged , discriminated against ? Yes.
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    (Original post by scrotgrot)
    It was also once a topic of discussion among contemporary feminists such as Emmeline Pankhurst and the suffragettes.

    Unfortunately these upper middle class women decided the appropriate feminist response would be to conduct the white feather campaign, in order to shame the working class men who were not fighting and dying to safeguard the cosseted lives of the women's class.
    Just about to say this. Well said.
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    (Original post by Attics)
    Its because women are being oppressed and like I said yesterday in another post : its like the 'Black Lives Matter' movement.
    it was made to highlight the struggle PoC went through only to be shut down by white people using the 'All Lives Matter' movement and saying that not only black people matter.


    someone proclaiming that a specific group of lives matter is not saying other lives don't matter , black people are the most underpriviledged.
    "It is not an act of egalitarianism or a relevant or even important point. Obviously all lives matter. That does not need said.But we live in a world where Black men, women, and children are being killed in the streets with impunity."

    You can say you believe in equal rights once equal rights have been achieved.
    Ignoring the fact that females are the gender that are the underprivileged, underserved gender and skipping right to 'I believe in equal rights' fixes nothing.
    If you believe that women are oppressed more than men are in the current western world, you are totally deluded. If you compare the privileges of men and women on a privilege by privilege basis, the number of privileges experienced by women far outweighs that of the male gender. I don't buy the "aiming high to achieve balance" nonsense for one second when the balance is acceptable, possibly even in the favour of women.
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    (Original post by Attics)
    does that mean that these men were oppressed , underpriviledged , discriminated against ? Yes.

    But a century ago :
    Women didnt have health insurance
    They couldnts vote
    They couldnt inherit equally
    They couldnt vote
    In 1941 The National Service Act was passed introducing conscription for women.All unmarried women between the ages of 20 and 30 are called up forwar work. It was later extended to include women up to age 43 andmarried women, though pregnant women and those with youngchildren can be exempt.

    does that mean that these women were more oppressed , underpriviledged , discriminated against ? Yes.
    You didn't answer my question.
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    (Original post by Attics)
    does that mean that these men were oppressed , underpriviledged , discriminated against ? Yes.

    But a century ago :
    Women didnt have health insurance
    They couldnts vote
    They couldnt inherit equally
    They couldnt vote
    In 1941 The National Service Act was passed introducing conscription for women.All unmarried women between the ages of 20 and 30 are called up forwar work. It was later extended to include women up to age 43 andmarried women, though pregnant women and those with youngchildren can be exempt.

    does that mean that these women were more oppressed , underpriviledged , discriminated against ? Yes.
    A century ago, most working class men couldn't vote, didn't have health insurance, didn't have a lot of choice of where they could be employed and didn't have the choice of not going to war. What I am saying is systematic oppression isn't only directed at women.

    Have the look at the death rate of conscripted men in comparison to conscripted women, in both wars.
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    (Original post by WoodyMKC)
    If you believe that women are oppressed more than men are in the current western world, you are totally deluded. If you compare the privileges of men and women on a privilege by privilege basis, the number of privileges experienced by women far outweighs that of the male gender.
    In what way ?
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    (Original post by AlwaysWatching)
    A century ago, most working class men couldn't vote, didn't have health insurance, didn't have a lot of choice of where they could be employed and didn't have the choice of not going to war. What I am saying is systematic oppression isn't only directed at women.
    couldnt afford health insurance I suppose(havent looked it up)
    and men could vote , but not the middle-class.


    how many times do I have to say that men can also be discriminated against ?
    women are more oppressed ffs
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    (Original post by Attics)
    In what way ?
    Is an explanation really needed? If you compare lists of the privileges of both genders, it's easy to see that women have at least as many privileges and rights as men. Rather the opposite of being more oppressed.
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    (Original post by Attics)
    couldnt afford health insurance I suppose(havent looked it up)
    and men could vote , but not the middle-class.


    how many times do I have to say that men can also be discriminated against ?
    women are more oppressed ffs
    Before 1918 only 60% of male householders over the age of 21 had the vote. So no, men could not all vote. Nobody is saying that women aren't oppressed in certain ways. But there is no such thing as "more" or "less" oppression. There are only different forms of oppression. It isn't some sort of league table and a race to the top. There isn't anyway of measuring oppression, so how can you say, with evidence, that women are "more" oppressed?
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    (Original post by WoodyMKC)
    Is an explanation really needed? If you compare lists of the privileges of both genders, it's easy to see that women have at least as many privileges and rights as men. Rather the opposite of being more oppressed.
    yes , but please write a part of the list down
    my feminist brain cant see it.
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    (Original post by scrotgrot)
    It was also once a topic of discussion among contemporary feminists such as Emmeline Pankhurst and the suffragettes.

    Unfortunately these upper middle class women decided the appropriate feminist response would be to conduct the white feather campaign, in order to shame the working class men who were not fighting and dying to safeguard the cosseted lives of the women's class.
    There were internationalist socialist feminists as well you know. It's also not the 'womens class' as opposed to the upper classes. There were many working class women. Where does Sylvia Pankhurst fit into your tunnel vision of feminism?

    I do think however that forced conscription of men is a form of oppression that is directed towards the male gender, especially in wars like world war one.
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    (Original post by AlwaysWatching)
    Before 1918 only 60% of male householders over the age of 21 had the vote. So no, men could not all vote. Nobody is saying that women aren't oppressed in certain ways. But there is no such thing as "more" or "less" oppression. There are only different forms of oppression. It isn't some sort of league table and a race to the top. There isn't anyway of measuring oppression, so how can you say, with evidence, that women are "more" oppressed?
    there is , the amount of men's privileges vs women's.
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    So if you believe in that, you might just be a feminist.And because these ladies didn't have time to get into the whole "I'm not a feminist; I'm a humanist!" fallacy, I'll go ahead and go ahead and cover that — humanism is already a thing. In fact, it's actually several different varieties of thing, all loosely related to learning, education, and rational thought. It's not at all related to social power structures or the rights and freedoms of various groups.

    And if you're still wondering why feminism doesn't have a different gender-neutral name, I'd say that if, after centuries upon centuries of women having their rights and freedoms trampled upon, you don't think women deserve a movement dedicated primarily (though not exclusively) to advocating for our interests and that is unashamed to label itself as such, then all I don't know what to tell you.So to all you "I'm not a feminists" out there, take a look at the video. I promise, feminism is not as scary as you think.


    Honestly , girls (and guys , but specifically girls) if you dont think that you should be paid equally , treated equally , respected equally and not seen as just a sexual object. Then i'm sorry , you're a feminist.
    I'm sorry dear but you're never going to stop men from jerking off over the thought of women.
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    (Original post by Attics)
    there is , the amount of men's privileges vs women's.
    Which is a position that is full of holes. Do you think a young working black man in Detroit USA had the same privileges as Christy Walton (Richest woman and founder of Walmart) or the Queen?

    There is no such thing as the "more" and "less" privileged sex. Not even in generic terms.
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    saying that "feminism means equality" "causes everybody to become a feminist", is like saying that "socialism means equality" means that everybody who believes in equality before the law becomes a communist. you can't just mis-define something so fundamentally anachronistic (the radical, misanthropic, far-left, misandristic, patriarchy-seeing, disgusting form of modern "feminism" ) and then pull it off as some kind of display of public agreement. again, if everybody said something like "teens need discipline and authority" doesn't mean we should conscript them into national service/a new war. genuine individual, legal and foundational equality and *that* kind of "equality" (which is actually not equality at all but rather a system whereby women have legal positive discrimination at every turn from the descriptions I constantly get from them themselves) are like the difference between a milk snake and a coral snake. you can use the same appearance (the word) but it's a completely different situation to all those who aren't morons.
 
 
 
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