Hey there! Sign in to join this conversationNew here? Join for free
x Turn on thread page Beta

Big Dave attacks his local council for making cuts. watch

Announcements
    Offline

    20
    ReputationRep:
    (Original post by TheGuyReturns)
    OI. Don't you dare say anything bad about our hero, the great clunking fist, Dr. Brown.
    He does seem like a boss battle or something.

    once you whittle his first health bar down his fists detach and fly around like giant fist missiles.
    Offline

    2
    ReputationRep:
    (Original post by Nightwing_)
    At least Labour are now a different option. Before the election they didn't seem to stand for anything, they promised cuts, but not as strong as the tories, they promised restrictions on immigration, but again not as hard as other parties were offering, they had nothing to argue for. At the very least, they now seem to have a bit more of a focus, even if it takes Corbyn a while to change the direction of the whole party.
    He won't. He also should try and give the public what they want rather than expecting them to change their view.

    Corbyn view on national defence; unacceptable, in particular due to Trident.

    Corbyn view on foreign policy; unacceptable, due to his and his shadow chancellors love for terrorists, whether they be Muslim or Irish. He loves them all.

    Corbyn view on the economy; debated, but to be fair Osbourne isn't doing great. That said he didn't even mention the deficit in his Labour conference speech which shows that in an hour long speech to win over his own MP's as well as the public he didn't think it important to show they were financially responsible. Looks to be a return to spend spend spend.

    Corbyn view on spending; it is great that he wants to build houses, great. However, his raising of welfare is a laughable position. Unacceptable.

    Corbyn view on the EU; again, not even mentioned in his Labour conference speech. This is the sole reason UKIP are the third largest party in the UK and he just ignored the issue? Unacceptable.

    Immigration; you get the theme, he wants more and the public don't.

    Labour being a different direction is fine, but they have to be the direction the public want. be left win by all means but from the direction the public want. We all know what Labour stand for now but their election prospects have taken an even bigger hit because of it.
    Offline

    12
    ReputationRep:
    My local Labour council is cutting back on services left right and centre but everyone living here still votes for them
    Online

    13
    ReputationRep:
    (Original post by i<3milkshake)
    He won't. He also should try and give the public what they want rather than expecting them to change their view.

    Corbyn view on national defence; unacceptable, in particular due to Trident.

    Corbyn view on foreign policy; unacceptable, due to his and his shadow chancellors love for terrorists, whether they be Muslim or Irish. He loves them all.

    Corbyn view on the economy; debated, but to be fair Osbourne isn't doing great. That said he didn't even mention the deficit in his Labour conference speech which shows that in an hour long speech to win over his own MP's as well as the public he didn't think it important to show they were financially responsible. Looks to be a return to spend spend spend.

    Corbyn view on spending; it is great that he wants to build houses, great. However, his raising of welfare is a laughable position. Unacceptable.

    Corbyn view on the EU; again, not even mentioned in his Labour conference speech. This is the sole reason UKIP are the third largest party in the UK and he just ignored the issue? Unacceptable.

    Immigration; you get the theme, he wants more and the public don't.

    Labour being a different direction is fine, but they have to be the direction the public want. be left win by all means but from the direction the public want. We all know what Labour stand for now but their election prospects have taken an even bigger hit because of it.
    I'm not sure why you keep using the phrase "the public", did someone teach you it meant "I" by mistake??
    Offline

    2
    ReputationRep:
    (Original post by ChaoticButterfly)
    You sound like me :eek3:


    You know what kind of governments stand up to economically privileged classes/groups? Left wing ones. :eek3:


    but labour are the party of GORDON BROWN :eek3:
    :eek3:
    Labour are the party that;
    Saw deregulation of the banks
    Saw house prices soar
    Saw tax evasion by Amazon, Starbucks etc go on absolutely unhindered. taxed the lower and middle classes more as a result.
    Raised benefits to sickening levels.
    Saw a foreign policy that was such a disaster the legacy is still here in the Middle East today.
    Saw mass immigration reduce wages and increase job competition.

    I could go on; Labour are the party that are also backed by the hedge funds but realising they need public support pretend to be a party of the people.
    In reality they are a bunch of, at best, champagne socialists (see Burnham and his expenses).

    So much for your "left wing parties standing up for people" line. So post more stupid emoticions all you like, Labour plunged the country into a debt around a trillion and insisted the working class and middle class pay for it. The richest got a big pay off and the lazy got huge benefits. The third world got to invade and the jobs saw low wages (if you could get one) and houses became far too expensive. Nice job "party of the people".

    The only people who support your position are those who don't want or have jobs. I mean if you care about the availability of jobs, their wages, house prices or the economy Labour are a joke. Labour are the party of Gordon Brown? Too right they are. Not sure why you seem to state that in a hope to encourage people to move to the left. This was the man who said "WE HAVE ELIMINATED BOOM AND BUST!". The the financial crash, the worst in 100 years, happened and he was half right I guess in that he eliminated the boom part.

    This is why I block the far left on here-not a single response to any of the above points, just loads of silly emoticons. Well far left is fine, but hysterical on the other hand no thanks.
    Online

    19
    ReputationRep:
    (Original post by i<3milkshake)
    Corbyn view on foreign policy; unacceptable, due to his and his shadow chancellors love for terrorists, whether they be Muslim or Irish. He loves them all.
    I am not going to bite on this one too much, but when you say "love for terrorists", would you say Tony Blair's Northern Ireland Secretary, Mo Mowlam had a similar love for terrorists when she went into the Maze Prison in Belfast to meet with members of the IRA? Those meetings resulted in a ceasefire and eventually a peace settlement which has by-and-large improved matters both in NI and the UK mainland enormously.

    But as long as these people are sneered at as terrorist sympathisers there is surely no hope for peace whatsoever no? Terrorists generally have an axe to grind and no amount of military action against them will prevent them from wanting to grind that axe. I would have thought the last 15 years and three wars have taught that lesson.

    So why on earth is talking to these people such a bad thing? You don't gain understanding by throwing missiles at people!
    Offline

    2
    ReputationRep:
    (Original post by Nightwing_)
    I'm not sure why you keep using the phrase "the public", did someone teach you it meant "I" by mistake??
    Well this will come as a shock to the left on here and in general but the public, and his MP's, have to be won over to win elections.

    That is how the real world works. You go out to work, come back, pay your bills, and the public vote.

    "The public" is an alien concept to the left I know, but the public are the ones who go out to work to pay for the pipe dream policies of the left? You know the ones-I propose this policy to benefit me, and someone else will always pay.
    Offline

    2
    ReputationRep:
    (Original post by ByEeek)
    I am not going to bite on this one too much, but when you say "love for terrorists", would you say Tony Blair's Northern Ireland Secretary, Mo Mowlam had a similar love for terrorists when she went into the Maze Prison in Belfast to meet with members of the IRA? Those meetings resulted in a ceasefire and eventually a peace settlement which has by-and-large improved matters both in NI and the UK mainland enormously.

    But as long as these people are sneered at as terrorist sympathisers there is surely no hope for peace whatsoever no? Terrorists generally have an axe to grind and no amount of military action against them will prevent them from wanting to grind that axe. I would have thought the last 15 years and three wars have taught that lesson.

    So why on earth is talking to these people such a bad thing? You don't gain understanding by throwing missiles at people!
    There is a difference between talking and doing what Corbyn does
    Oh the left on here. So out of touch with the public. Anyone care to bet on this election result? I bet that for all of the bluster coming from the left Corbyn will make Labour relevant only for those studying political history!
    Online

    13
    ReputationRep:
    (Original post by i<3milkshake)
    Corbyn view on national defence; unacceptable, in particular due to Trident.
    Have to disagree with you here, I am completely opposed to the governments ownership of nuclear weapons. However this is an argument I have had many times, although I can appreciate there is strength to the opposing argument, I will never agree with them. The greatest threats we face are no longer ones that can be defeated with nuclear weapons.

    (Original post by i<3milkshake)
    Corbyn view on foreign policy; unacceptable, due to his and his shadow chancellors love for terrorists, whether they be Muslim or Irish. He loves them all.
    Heaven forbid if we had a leader who actually would rather sit down and talk through problems rather than just bomb the s**t out of a country, just creating problem after problem, tragedy after tragedy, we've been doing the same dance for decades and things are only getting worse. The old approach fails repeatedly. People may not be happy that Corbyn is happy to sit down with terrorists but you can damn well bet it's the ONLY way conflict will ever be resolved.

    (Original post by i<3milkshake)
    Corbyn view on the economy; debated, but to be fair Osbourne isn't doing great. That said he didn't even mention the deficit in his Labour conference speech which shows that in an hour long speech to win over his own MP's as well as the public he didn't think it important to show they were financially responsible. Looks to be a return to spend spend spend.
    Agree largely here, but done right spending increases growth, yes it will take longer to clear the deficit, but this is not as necessary to clear as quickly as the Tories would have you believe, they scare people with the idea that national debt is similar to personal debt (it REALLY isn't), so poeple think well if I was in debt I'd need to clear it, so vote Conservatives they'll clear our debt!!! If instead money is spent (in the right way) to promote growth, eventually the deficit would clear by the growth outstripping the expenditure and many people would be a lot better off, what is the point in clearing the deficit by crippling society.

    (Original post by i<3milkshake)
    Corbyn view on spending; it is great that he wants to build houses, great. However, his raising of welfare is a laughable position. Unacceptable.
    Welfare is an amazing thing, I sincerely hope that it will be there should I ever need it and in the large part is not what has caused our economy to crash

    (Original post by i<3milkshake)
    Corbyn view on the EU; again, not even mentioned in his Labour conference speech. This is the sole reason UKIP are the third largest party in the UK and he just ignored the issue? Unacceptable.
    Not sure I know what his views are on the EU actually

    So there you go, by the way, I'm a member of the public, so if I was you I wouldn't assume the views of your small circle of friends represent the nation.
    Offline

    2
    ReputationRep:
    (Original post by Nightwing_)
    Have to disagree with you here, I am completely opposed to the governments ownership of nuclear weapons. However this is an argument I have had many times, although I can appreciate there is strength to the opposing argument, I will never agree with them. The greatest threats we face are no longer ones that can be defeated with nuclear weapons.



    Heaven forbid if we had a leader who actually would rather sit down and talk through problems rather than just bomb the s**t out of a country, just creating problem after problem, tragedy after tragedy, we've been doing the same dance for decades and things are only getting worse. The old approach fails repeatedly. People may not be happy that Corbyn is happy to sit down with terrorists but you can damn well bet it's the ONLY way conflict will ever be resolved.


    Agree largely here, but done right spending increases growth, yes it will take longer to clear the deficit, but this is not as necessary to clear as quickly as the Tories would have you believe, they scare people with the idea that national debt is similar to personal debt (it REALLY isn't), so poeple think well if I was in debt I'd need to clear it, so vote Conservatives they'll clear our debt!!! If instead money is spent (in the right way) to promote growth, eventually the deficit would clear by the growth outstripping the expenditure and many people would be a lot better off, what is the point in clearing the deficit by crippling society.


    Welfare is an amazing thing, I sincerely hope that it will be there should I ever need it and in the large part is not what has caused our economy to crash


    Not sure I know what his views are on the EU actually

    So there you go, by the way, I'm a member of the public, so if I was you I wouldn't assume the views of your small circle of friends represent the nation.
    Yep, only amongst my "small cirlce of friends" is the terrorist loving, immigration loving, benefits loving, debt loving, tax loving, EU loving, defence hating, business hating, Corbyn a disaster

    Like I said care to bet?
    Didn't think so. All talk no action. The "circle of friends" who want Corbyn all congregate at the local job center every sign on week, everyone else hates him. Even his own party do. So again, if I am so wrong can you bet? I bet £500 (my bet described above).
    Online

    19
    ReputationRep:
    (Original post by i<3milkshake)
    There is a difference between talking and doing what Corbyn does
    Oh the left on here. So out of touch with the public. Anyone care to bet on this election result? I bet that for all of the bluster coming from the left Corbyn will make Labour relevant only for those studying political history!
    What does Corbyn do?

    As for being out of touch with the public? What on earth has that got to do with anything? Are you suggesting we all think the same thing? Are you suggesting that to state a point of view that is challenging or uncomfortable is some sort of assault on common decency? Come off it.

    Politics since Blair has been broadly unchanged. It is the same Oxbridge types banging on about the same things. Suddenly we have two people in our political system (Farage and Corbyn) who say things that make people uneasy and that speak from a position of principal and passion rather than what public lead focus groups tell them they should think. It is a refreshing breath of air.

    You may not agree with these folks, but they are talking in a way that leaves folks like yourselves unsure about how to tackle them, so you resort to point scoring and ridicule rather than challenge them on the issues. And anyone who might agree is demonised as a lefty or some sort of loon.

    I don't know what will happen at the next election, but if there is one thing I can be certain, all bets are off.
    Online

    13
    ReputationRep:
    (Original post by i<3milkshake)
    Yep, only amongst my "small cirlce of friends" is the terrorist loving, immigration loving, benefits loving, debt loving, tax loving, EU loving, defence hating, business hating, Corbyn a disaster

    Like I said care to bet?
    Didn't think so. All talk no action. The "circle of friends" who want Corbyn all congregate at the local job center every sign on week, everyone else hates him. Even his own party do. So again, if I am so wrong can you bet? I bet £500 (my bet described above).
    Ok, there are obviously people all across the country that don't want Corbyn, but there are plenty of people all across the country that don't want Cameron either. My point is you don't know what the public wants, you have your views, so you read into them, probably have friends that agree with them, you don't know what "the public" wants.

    I would be interested in a bet, but I would have to wait a few years, it is far to early to tell how "the public" might sway over the next few years, it will depend on so many things, not least who will be named Camerons successor, I think Osborne is pretty universally hated as is Teresa May, Boris.....well we'll have to see.
    Online

    13
    ReputationRep:
    (Original post by ByEeek)
    What does Corbyn do?
    Politics since Blair has been broadly unchanged. It is the same Oxbridge types banging on about the same things. Suddenly we have two people in our political system (Farage and Corbyn) who say things that make people uneasy and that speak from a position of principal and passion rather than what public lead focus groups tell them they should think. It is a refreshing breath of air.
    YES
    Offline

    17
    ReputationRep:
    (Original post by i<3milkshake)
    Cameron recently managed to brush off performing a sex act on a pig, a real pig. This letter is very embarrassing for any other politician and would show them to be an out of touch numpty of epic proportions but Dave always manages to get over these kind of things.

    On a side note why the whole country insists on voting for Eton boys/posh toffs who have no idea how ordinary people live is beyond me. I mean Cameron may be surprised at how much his cuts have hit people but any guy on the street could have told him this years ago.
    Most people hate them! Remember only 24% of the population voted for them, and most of that was the Alzheimers vote.
    Offline

    17
    ReputationRep:
    (Original post by i<3milkshake)
    Labour are the party that;
    Saw deregulation of the banks
    Saw house prices soar
    Saw tax evasion by Amazon, Starbucks etc go on absolutely unhindered. taxed the lower and middle classes more as a result.
    Raised benefits to sickening levels.
    Saw a foreign policy that was such a disaster the legacy is still here in the Middle East today.
    Saw mass immigration reduce wages and increase job competition.

    I could go on; Labour are the party that are also backed by the hedge funds but realising they need public support pretend to be a party of the people.
    In reality they are a bunch of, at best, champagne socialists (see Burnham and his expenses).

    So much for your "left wing parties standing up for people" line. So post more stupid emoticions all you like, Labour plunged the country into a debt around a trillion and insisted the working class and middle class pay for it. The richest got a big pay off and the lazy got huge benefits. The third world got to invade and the jobs saw low wages (if you could get one) and houses became far too expensive. Nice job "party of the people".

    The only people who support your position are those who don't want or have jobs. I mean if you care about the availability of jobs, their wages, house prices or the economy Labour are a joke. Labour are the party of Gordon Brown? Too right they are. Not sure why you seem to state that in a hope to encourage people to move to the left. This was the man who said "WE HAVE ELIMINATED BOOM AND BUST!". The the financial crash, the worst in 100 years, happened and he was half right I guess in that he eliminated the boom part.

    This is why I block the far left on here-not a single response to any of the above points, just loads of silly emoticons. Well far left is fine, but hysterical on the other hand no thanks.
    If you only ever look at the next five minutes and the last five minutes you'll never understand the real problem.

    Labour basically, as every party in power has done since 1980 or so, continued the trend of Thatcherism. So if you do have a problem with society as it is now, there's a good chance that your root problem lies there.

    This requires seeing past Labour/Conservative.

    The reason Thatcherism was popular was because it worked. Well. For a while. Now that while is over.

    Unfortunately people tend to see things in terms of ideology and ignore change.
    Offline

    20
    ReputationRep:
    (Original post by i<3milkshake)
    Labour are the party that;
    Saw deregulation of the banks
    Saw house prices soar
    Saw tax evasion by Amazon, Starbucks etc go on absolutely unhindered. taxed the lower and middle classes more as a result.
    Raised benefits to sickening levels.
    Saw a foreign policy that was such a disaster the legacy is still here in the Middle East today.
    Saw mass immigration reduce wages and increase job competition.

    I could go on; Labour are the party that are also backed by the hedge funds but realising they need public support pretend to be a party of the people.
    In reality they are a bunch of, at best, champagne socialists (see Burnham and his expenses).

    So much for your "left wing parties standing up for people" line. So post more stupid emoticions all you like, Labour plunged the country into a debt around a trillion and insisted the working class and middle class pay for it. The richest got a big pay off and the lazy got huge benefits. The third world got to invade and the jobs saw low wages (if you could get one) and houses became far too expensive. Nice job "party of the people".

    The only people who support your position are those who don't want or have jobs. I mean if you care about the availability of jobs, their wages, house prices or the economy Labour are a joke. Labour are the party of Gordon Brown? Too right they are. Not sure why you seem to state that in a hope to encourage people to move to the left. This was the man who said "WE HAVE ELIMINATED BOOM AND BUST!". The the financial crash, the worst in 100 years, happened and he was half right I guess in that he eliminated the boom part.

    This is why I block the far left on here-not a single response to any of the above points, just loads of silly emoticons. Well far left is fine, but hysterical on the other hand no thanks.
    You are all over the place with your views I don't know how anyone can win your vote. You are either going to have to decide certain views/concerns trump others and pick a least bad option or just accept no one is going to represent you.
    Offline

    2
    ReputationRep:
    (Original post by Raiden10)
    If you only ever look at the next five minutes and the last five minutes you'll never understand the real problem.

    Labour basically, as every party in power has done since 1980 or so, continued the trend of Thatcherism. So if you do have a problem with society as it is now, there's a good chance that your root problem lies there.

    This requires seeing past Labour/Conservative.

    The reason Thatcherism was popular was because it worked. Well. For a while. Now that while is over.

    Unfortunately people tend to see things in terms of ideology and ignore change.
    I don't disagree that the Conservatives are unpopular; they are with me. They aren't even a proper Tory party when it comes to big issues like the EU for example.

    However, when people then see Labour as the solution...it just shows how silly they really are. When it comes to having the best interests of the public at heart Labour are just as much backed by the 1% as the Tories. They both are in favour of globalisation, deregulation, low taxes for the rich, mass immigration, selling off the entire country if possible, ideally at such low prices the taxpayer gets shafted, etc. They are both the same in that regard. Don't get me wrong I would prefer the Tories though. At least they recognise public opinion so decided to offer a referendum, etc.
    Offline

    2
    ReputationRep:
    (Original post by ChaoticButterfly)
    You are all over the place with your views I don't know how anyone can win your vote. You are either going to have to decide certain views/concerns trump other and pick a least bad option or just accept no one is going to represent you.
    Newsflash; no party is going to exactly fit you. You will have to choose a compromise, and the party that generally meets your key areas is the best choice. That, again, is how elections work. Hilarious how you state the obvious-that I will have to find a compromise. Well if a party wants the votes of 10 million people I guess some of them are going to have to do that no? Lol.

    Most important areas of policy for me, either agree or I won't vote for you;
    1) EU and immigration.
    2) Deficit reduction.

    Areas i care, but not that much-if a party meets the above two I can tolerate half these being missed easily;
    1) House prices
    2) Infrastructure & public services.
    3) Wealth inequality.
    4) National Defence.

    Areas I really don't care about;
    The rest.

    If you look, the first largest party and the third largest party may not agree with all of my views, my views on the economy as a whole, but at least they do want to meet my key areas.
    So I have plenty of options. I know my vote will probably be for the party that wins next election, I am OK with that and their views. You on the other hand will vote for Corbyn just so that he can do...nothing.

    Don't worry about where my vote is going, worry about where your vote is going and indeed your party as a whole.
    Offline

    20
    ReputationRep:
    @i<3milkshake


    You also seem confused as to what happened in 2008. Or what the response to that has been. To understand what happened in 2008 you need to understand what happened in the 1970s and 1980s and how economic orthodoxies shifted. You are trying to understand what happened by listening to partisan propaganda. That stuff is designed to mislead you. It is misinformation.

    I know I sound like an arrogant knob saying that. But it is easier to trick someone than it is to convince them they have been tricked. :-/


    (Original post by i<3milkshake)
    Newsflash; no party is going to exactly fit you. You will have to choose a compromise, and the party that generally meets your key areas is the best choice. That, again, is how elections work. Hilarious how you state the obvious-that I will have to find a compromise. Well if a party wants the votes of 10 million people I guess some of them are going to have to do that no? Lol.

    Most important areas of policy for me, either agree or I won't vote for you;
    1) EU and immigration.
    2) Deficit reduction.

    Areas i care, but not that much-if a party meets the above two I can tolerate half these being missed easily;
    1) House prices
    2) Infrastructure & public services.
    3) Wealth inequality.
    4) National Defence.

    Areas I really don't care about;
    The rest.

    If you look, the first largest party and the third largest party may not agree with all of my views, my views on the economy as a whole, but at least they do want to meet my key areas.
    So I have plenty of options. I know my vote will probably be for the party that wins next election, I am OK with that and their views. You on the other hand will vote for Corbyn just so that he can do...nothing.

    Don't worry about where my vote is going, worry about where your vote is going and indeed your party as a whole.
    There is no 'my party' .

    You bring up this concept of socialism for the rich captlaism for the poor narrative that the left occupy types shout about to describe 2008 (as do others, it isn't just left).

    Deficit reduction (which means austerity) is being used as a political tool to get people to vote for "socialism for the rich captlaism for everyone else". The debt is not being reduced by the Tories. But they use that excuse to get people like yourself to support taking away benefits from people. You complain about everyone else being punished for what the banks did but support punishing poorer people. Well that's the left angle on things.

    It is debatable as to whether aiming for a surplus is even desirable. Steve Keen who predicted the 2008 crisis is one of the economists who does not think it is.
    Offline

    20
    ReputationRep:
    (Original post by i<3milkshake)
    I don't disagree that the Conservatives are unpopular; they are with me. They aren't even a proper Tory party when it comes to big issues like the EU for example.

    However, when people then see Labour as the solution...it just shows how silly they really are. When it comes to having the best interests of the public at heart Labour are just as much backed by the 1% as the Tories. They both are in favour of globalisation, deregulation, low taxes for the rich, mass immigration, selling off the entire country if possible, ideally at such low prices the taxpayer gets shafted, etc. They are both the same in that regard. Don't get me wrong I would prefer the Tories though. At least they recognise public opinion so decided to offer a referendum, etc.
    They have just elected the most left wing leader in decades from popular grass route support and money. I imagine Corbyn position on the EU is similar to that of the Greens which is miles away from the EU sucking up to you see from the "labour moderates".

    The labour party will either have to involve into different party or you make a new one like Podemos or Syrizia in Spain and Greece respectively. It is much harder making a new party in First Past the Post.


    (Original post by Raiden10)
    If you only ever look at the next five minutes and the last five minutes you'll never understand the real problem.

    Labour basically, as every party in power has done since 1980 or so, continued the trend of Thatcherism. So if you do have a problem with society as it is now, there's a good chance that your root problem lies there.

    This requires seeing past Labour/Conservative.

    The reason Thatcherism was popular was because it worked. Well. For a while. Now that while is over.

    Unfortunately people tend to see things in terms of ideology and ignore change.
    This post is what I was trying to say.
 
 
 
Poll
Do you agree with the proposed ban on plastic straws and cotton buds?
Useful resources

Groups associated with this forum:

View associated groups

The Student Room, Get Revising and Marked by Teachers are trading names of The Student Room Group Ltd.

Register Number: 04666380 (England and Wales), VAT No. 806 8067 22 Registered Office: International House, Queens Road, Brighton, BN1 3XE

Write a reply...
Reply
Hide
Reputation gems: You get these gems as you gain rep from other members for making good contributions and giving helpful advice.