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    (Original post by Andy98)
    I agree with making prison less desirable; but lashings and the like aren't justice, they're revenge.

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    I would say that prison is revenge if you're saying that... you put someone in prison to punish them, just like in this Bill, you'd be lashing someone to punish them.
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    (Original post by mobbsy91)
    I would say that prison is revenge if you're saying that... you put someone in prison to punish them, just like in this Bill, you'd be lashing someone to punish them.
    I don't think of prison as punishing them, I think of it as getting them off the streets so their victims are safer and feel safer. Plus considering prisons are bloody luxury nowadays I'm not sure they qualify as punishment

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    (Original post by Andy98)
    I don't think of prison as punishing them, I think of it as getting them off the streets so their victims are safer and feel safer. Plus considering prisons are bloody luxury nowadays I'm not sure they qualify as punishment

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    True, so let's implement some proper punishment.
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    This will show those unsavoury middle Eastern types just how similar to them we are!

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    (Original post by mobbsy91)
    True, so let's implement some proper punishment.
    Why? Assume arguendo that your new punishment achieves precisely nothing extra but retribution. Is that a good thing? Why?
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    (Original post by TheDefiniteArticle)
    Why? Assume arguendo that your new punishment achieves precisely nothing extra but retribution. Is that a good thing? Why?
    When you say, nothing extra, nothing extra than punishment but retribution... well in that case, even better!
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    (Original post by mobbsy91)
    When you say, nothing extra, nothing extra than punishment but retribution... well in that case, even better!
    Punishment for punishment's sake is barbaric. If punishing a particular criminal achieves nothing except the suffering of the guilty, they should not be punished.
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    (Original post by TheDefiniteArticle)
    Punishment for punishment's sake is barbaric. If punishing a particular criminal achieves nothing except the suffering of the guilty, they should not be punished.
    No... I reckon pain (and humiliation) is an effective deterrent.
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    (Original post by mobbsy91)
    No... I reckon pain (and humiliation) is an effective deterrent.
    That's missing the point. Deterrence achieves something - but if deterrence is all that is achieved, it should be done in the manner causing the least possible suffering.

    Also, was about to make a text-only reference to this (excellent) album but I think it might have had something of a whoosh effect:

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    I'd much rather have criminals be sent to work camps, and if they fail to reach their quota for production, then they can get lashed, and in severe cases, executed. In that case, they could do the jobs we don't want to do, so instead of hiring foreign workers to do the jobs "nobody wants to do" for a low price, we could get it for free from these inmates. I also believe that a lot of today's methods of execution are pretty much non-punishments. We should do executions like the Boyd and Parker Ambush method in which criminals are tied to a tree by their intestines are forced to run around the tree until they drop dead.
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    (Original post by Unown Uzer)
    I'd much rather have criminals be sent to work camps, and if they fail to reach their quota for production, then they can get lashed, and in severe cases, executed. In that case, they could do the jobs we don't want to do, so instead of hiring foreign workers to do the jobs "nobody wants to do" for a low price, we could get it for free from these inmates. I also believe that a lot of today's methods of execution are pretty much non-punishments. We should do executions like the Boyd and Parker Ambush method in which criminals are tied to a tree by their intestines are forced to run around the tree until they drop dead.
    Haha, sounds good xD or scaphism
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    I know this is only a model House of Commons, but doesn't there have to be at least some pretence to reason and realism?
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    where do you keep them whilst waiting to see what there punishment is? Or what there punishment will be. We need some sort of holding bay, or prison if it were...


    Nay. But great banter
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    (Original post by Good bloke)
    I know this is only a model House of Commons, but doesn't there have to be at least some pretence to reason and realism?
    We're normally pretty sane, but the proposer of this is a member of Ukip who are known round here for their 'blue sky thinking' as regards the definition of 'reason and realism'.
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    (Original post by mobbsy91)
    Aye.


    Nay. Getting lashed in this country should remain synonymous with intoxication, not punishment by the whip.
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    (Original post by The Financier)


    Nay. Getting lashed in this country should remain synonymous with intoxication, not punishment by the whip.
    Would have thought you would appreciate some real discipline

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    (Original post by Unown Uzer)
    I'd much rather have criminals be sent to work camps, and if they fail to reach their quota for production, then they can get lashed, and in severe cases, executed. In that case, they could do the jobs we don't want to do, so instead of hiring foreign workers to do the jobs "nobody wants to do" for a low price, we could get it for free from these inmates. I also believe that a lot of today's methods of execution are pretty much non-punishments. We should do executions like the Boyd and Parker Ambush method in which criminals are tied to a tree by their intestines are forced to run around the tree until they drop dead.
    Banterous until the last sentence.

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    (Original post by mobbsy91)
    True, so let's implement some proper punishment.
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    (Original post by Andy98)
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    I know what you're thinking! You're thinking...

    ...why didn't I think of this amazing idea sooner!
 
 
 
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