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    (Original post by MagicNMedicine)
    http://www.theguardian.com/world/201...uropean-values

    Immigrants are to be required to sign a declaration accepting gay rights and the equality of men and women.

    Sounds like the EUSSR wanting to impose its cultural marxism world view on people, what do you think...:holmes:
    This is really quite ludicrous.

    There's no such thing as "European values", first of all. Recognition that we should equally consider the interests of all human beings is a universal value, not a European value. Freedom of expression, religious pluralism, democracy, and so on, are universal values, and these values were practiced elsewhere to various degrees outside Europe and before the Enlightenment.

    Secondly, does that mean that the numerous "Europeans" who don't accept gay rights and equal rights for men and women should be expelled?

    It is ironic that some of the people (I know at least one) who go on about "European values" and "Western values" when it comes to immigrants will not be particularly pleased with these stated liberal values.
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    (Original post by Multiculturalism)
    Why don't they get their native populations to sign it as well, e.g. the fascists on the far right?
    Because they already live in Europe and are not migrating here therefore they cannot be deported, are you being completely THICK on purpose?
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    (Original post by viddy9)
    This is really quite ludicrous.

    There's no such thing as "European values", first of all. Recognition that we should equally consider the interests of all human beings is a universal value, not a European value. Freedom of expression, religious pluralism, democracy, and so on, are universal values, and these values were practiced elsewhere to various degrees outside Europe and before the Enlightenment.

    Secondly, does that mean that the numerous "Europeans" who don't accept gay rights and equal rights for men and women should be expelled?

    It is ironic that some of the people (I know at least one) who go on about "European values" and "Western values" when it comes to immigrants will not be particularly pleased with these stated liberal values.
    Of course there are no European values, just as there is no african or Arab values. Infact values are a complete myth and do not exist anywhere
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    (Original post by Bill_Gates)
    you can't sign a piece of paper and change people's views.
    But this is the EU, they don't consider that sometimes people lie.
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    I think this is a good idea because when we catch them espouting anti-gay nonsense we don't have to get into a debate about different cultures. Now they are just liars which are easier to decry.

    But it's almost useless unless it applies to refugees also.
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    (Original post by The_Opinion)
    But this is the EU, they don't consider that sometimes people lie.
    Presumably it's about fasttracking deportation...

    i.e. we've got your signature on an agreement to behave in an acceptable way or be deported... and here's some evidence that you have not behaved in an acceptable way. Goodbye.
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    (Original post by MagicNMedicine)
    http://www.theguardian.com/world/201...uropean-values

    Immigrants are to be required to sign a declaration accepting gay rights and the equality of men and women.

    Sounds like the EUSSR wanting to impose its cultural marxism world view on people, what do you think...:holmes:
    I don;t see how this will change anything other than offer some symbolism. It also feels like thought crime. They shouldn't have to accept it other than just not commit any crimes.

    Are we going to make natives sign this?

    Opposition to this exposes the hypocrisy of many people though... Can't work out whether equality is bad or whether it is good and the scary brown people don't adhere to it.
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    (Original post by Joinedup)
    Presumably it's about fasttracking deportation...

    i.e. we've got your signature on an agreement to behave in an acceptable way or be deported... and here's some evidence that you have not behaved in an acceptable way. Goodbye.
    Still utterly pointless, other countries would just deport, no questions asked anyway. Also, various EU human rights laws / rules would prevent that, even more if they claim they are from a non-safe country.
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    Doesn't really feel like this is getting implemented so that they can learn to abide by "european values"(progressive social welfare isn't inherent in any European cultural community). It seems more like a method to protect subsections of native europeans that these types like to target the most....or rather make them aware that they'll be prosecuted for behavior a la cologne. At the very least, maybe excuses such as "i didn't realize it is unacceptable to grope a woman wearing perfume because im from a different culture" won't be considered as valid in court.
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    (Original post by MagicNMedicine)
    http://www.theguardian.com/world/201...uropean-values

    Immigrants are to be required to sign a declaration accepting gay rights and the equality of men and women.

    Sounds like the EUSSR wanting to impose its cultural marxism world view on people, what do you think...:holmes:
    Lol mate for stay in the EU those people would draw a cheeky cartoon of Prophet Mohammad.

    And as some said, making them sign a piece of paper isn't going to change someone's views.

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    (Original post by MagicNMedicine)
    http://www.theguardian.com/world/201...uropean-values

    Immigrants are to be required to sign a declaration accepting gay rights and the equality of men and women.

    Sounds like the EUSSR wanting to impose its cultural marxism world view on people, what do you think...:holmes:
    You mean they will have to accept the work ethic of the Greeks, the humility of the French, the happy go lucky attitude of the Finns, the Irish approach to bureaucracy and the Spanish to timekeeping. They will have to laugh at German jokes and enjoy Estonian opera. They must adopt the Italian approach to women, the Slovak to diversity and the Swedish to capitalism. And of course all these instructions will be printed in Bulgarian
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    People are missing the point. Obviously it will not change their existing beliefs, but will make deportation if they misbehave much easier.

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