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B953 - Brothel Regulation Bill 2016 (Second Reading) watch

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    (Original post by Jammy Duel)
    In exactly the same way you can't watch or be recorded or be paid until 18

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    I still think it's a bit stupid that you can have sex at sixteen, but you can't (legally but most teens do) watch porn until you're 18. I personally think they should all be set to the same age.
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    (Original post by Jammy Duel)
    In exactly the same way you can't watch or be recorded or be paid until 18

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    (Original post by Andy98)
    I still think it's a bit stupid that you can have sex at sixteen, but you can't (legally but most teens do) watch porn until you're 18. I personally think they should all be set to the same age.
    Then write a bill to change that. I won't be changing the age on this bill


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    (Original post by PetrosAC)
    Then write a bill to change that. I won't be changing the age on this bill


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    I still can't decide 18 or 16, otherwise I would've done it already

    Sod it, 16 it is, keep an eye out
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    Lol, do you actually expect clients to have to be examined so that they can pay for prostitutes? Don't make me laugh!

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    I'm still upset to see the government trying to legitimise prostitution as a career.
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    I fear the day where liberalism in Britain allows big neon signs stating 'vaginas on demand' to be plastered over the side of buildings owned by big corporations such as Orgasms R Us.
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    (Original post by Nigel Farage MEP)
    I fear the day where liberalism in Britain allows big neon signs stating 'vaginas on demand' to be plastered over the side of buildings owned by big corporations such as Orgasms R Us.
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    (Original post by Nigel Farage MEP)
    I fear the day where liberalism in Britain allows big neon signs stating 'vaginas on demand' to be plastered over the side of buildings owned by big corporations such as Orgasms R Us.
    Isn't this essentially what your philosophy wishes to allow? On what basis do you object, considering you reject morality as a concept?
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    (Original post by Nigel Farage MEP)
    I fear the day where liberalism in Britain allows big neon signs stating 'vaginas on demand' to be plastered over the side of buildings owned by big corporations such as Orgasms R Us.
    Knowing middle class Britain, there would be more pbjections to the neon sign than the brothel itself.
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    (Original post by barnetlad)
    Knowing middle class Britain, there would be more pbjections to the neon sign than the brothel itself.
    There's a brothel down the road from me, funny seeing the old men on their way, getting called out for it by some kids and then pretending that they weren't actually on their way in there.
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    (Original post by TheDefiniteArticle)
    Isn't this essentially what your philosophy wishes to allow? On what basis do you object, considering you reject morality as a concept?
    On the basis the sexual intercourse from casual encounters is only fulfilling for people who are desperate for sex; there will be a bigger incentive for gangs to smuggle young women around Britain for sex; young women will be forced to become prostitutes for money under the belief becoming a prostitute is a legitimate way to earn money; young women who opt to become prostitutes will value themselves less, choosing to view themselves as only good for sex; sex will be seen as being legitimised outside brothels, encouraging younger children to have sex which will likely not involve protection; and the younger children having sex will likely be girls who feel girls must have sex to be cool, or be accepted socially.
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    (Original post by Nigel Farage MEP)
    On the basis the sexual intercourse from casual encounters is only fulfilling for people who are desperate for sex; there will be a bigger incentive for gangs to smuggle young women around Britain for sex; young women will be forced to become prostitutes for money under the belief becoming a prostitute is a legitimate way to earn money; young women who opt to become prostitutes will value themselves less, choosing to view themselves as only good for sex; sex will be seen as being legitimised outside brothels, encouraging younger children to have sex which will likely not involve protection; and the younger children having sex will likely be girls who feel girls must have sex to be cool, or be accepted socially.
    You still haven't explained why you think any of this is a bad thing. After all, the young women you talk about will likely be poor, so you don't care about them, right?
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    (Original post by TheDefiniteArticle)
    You still haven't explained why you think any of this is a bad thing. After all, the young women you talk about will likely be poor, so you don't care about them, right?
    I think is is self-evident why it is a bad thing, the young women who are smuggled around the country for sex could be at school learning to achieve skills to be utilised in a higher-paying job later, if the women have skills the women could be in a job, or the women could be looking after children if the women have no skills to use in a job. I believe lots of the money generated by brothels will be funnelled to crime gangs to fund the crime gangs' illegal activities, very little money will be passed to the women providing the sexual services. An industry where the biggest winners are the crime gangs, who smuggle vulnerable women around Britain to meet the demands of men, is not as beneficial to Britain as a different industry; the limited human resources should be focussed on a better industry.

    For young girls in schools, the girls should be putting their focus to learning for GCSEs, or A-levels to enter university, earn a good degree, and apply their skills to a high-paying, valuable job in the future. If the young girls are distracted from their studies by an increase in the acceptance of sex, there will be a fall in the girls' quality of work as the girls' focus is on losing their virginity at the youngest possible age, having sex to remain in their social circle, and potentially falling pregnant. I believe the same point could be applied to boys in schools, however, the legalisation of brothels will have a greater impact on women because brothels rely on the exploitation of vulnerable women for sex, and the image of women being used for sex will have a larger impact on the minds of young women.
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    How are the authors of this bill going to prevent the prostitution market being dominated by Eastern European migrants (many of whom are controlled by human trafficking gangs), who will likely compress the wages of British prostitutes? Since Eastern European prostitutes are more likely to have been trafficked and controlled by criminal gangs, they may have unprotected sex or sell their services for a cheaper price. How are you going to prevent Eastern Europeans taking British prostitutes' jobs or making the job less worthwhile for British prostitutes?
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    (Original post by Nigel Farage MEP)
    I think is is self-evident why it is a bad thing, the young women who are smuggled around the country for sex could be at school learning to achieve skills to be utilised in a higher-paying job later, if the women have skills the women could be in a job, or the women could be looking after children if the women have no skills to use in a job. I believe lots of the money generated by brothels will be funnelled to crime gangs to fund the crime gangs' illegal activities, very little money will be passed to the women providing the sexual services. An industry where the biggest winners are the crime gangs, who smuggle vulnerable women around Britain to meet the demands of men, is not as beneficial to Britain as a different industry; the limited human resources should be focussed on a better industry.

    For young girls in schools, the girls should be putting their focus to learning for GCSEs, or A-levels to enter university, earn a good degree, and apply their skills to a high-paying, valuable job in the future. If the young girls are distracted from their studies by an increase in the acceptance of sex, there will be a fall in the girls' quality of work as the girls' focus is on losing their virginity at the youngest possible age, having sex to remain in their social circle, and potentially falling pregnant. I believe the same point could be applied to boys in schools, however, the legalisation of brothels will have a greater impact on women because brothels rely on the exploitation of vulnerable women for sex, and the image of women being used for sex will have a larger impact on the minds of young women.
    This is absolute tosh, to be quite frank.

    These brothels will be regulated - It's in the title for Christ's sakes. By regulating them we take money away from the criminals and the traffickers.

    To suggest that young girls will suddenly fall away from their studies because of the legislation of brothels is stupid. Prostitution goes on anyway, we might as well regulate it and ensure it is as safe as possible. It's not like there are suddenly going to be brothels everywhere. Furthermore, you are merely speculating at best.
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    (Original post by PetrosAC)
    This is absolute tosh, to be quite frank.

    These brothels will be regulated - It's in the title for Christ's sakes. By regulating them we take money away from the criminals and the traffickers.

    To suggest that young girls will suddenly fall away from their studies because of the legislation of brothels is stupid. Prostitution goes on anyway, we might as well regulate it and ensure it is as safe as possible. It's not like there are suddenly going to be brothels everywhere. Furthermore, you are merely speculating at best.
    There is nothing in the bill to make sure the women are not being forced to turn to prostitution, there is nothing in the bill to make sure women are not being smuggled for sex, to make sure women receive a fair share of the money generated from clients, to explain how the minimum wage would work, to protect the emotional welfare of the prostitutes, to detail if there will be inspections by the local authorities, how the local authorities will decide if a brothel should be given a licence, who can work in the brothel, the cleanliness of the brothel, why reviews every decade are effective, how standards will be kept up in the brothels between reviews, the process for complaining about a brothel, what the standards a brothel needs to meet are, how many sexual partners a prostitute can have before being examined for a sexually transmitted disease, if there is a maximum shift length for the prostitutes, how prostitute will be protected against sexual assaults from clients, and what clients can reasonably expect.

    The bill is a terrible attempt at legalising brothels because the bill does not properly regulate the industry, nor does the bill clearly explain how brothels will operate. I doubt you would be happy for your daughter to become a prostitute at the age of 18 when in sixth form because your daughter viewed prostitution as easy money, however, you find it acceptable for there to be a bill allowing other young girls to become prostitutes. The girls becoming prostitutes will be vulnerable girls from backgrounds where there may not have been parents, or where parents were not supportive; these girls are not being protected. The bill fails to address how the young girls will be protected from being forced to do prostitution because there is no alternative to prostitution in the mind of the vulnerable young girls most likely to turn to be impacted. The bill operates on the premise that every individual choosing to enter prostitution is of sound judgement when making a decision to enter prostitution, and is in full control of their actions, however, that is not the case, emotionally unstable girls with nothing in life need to be protected.
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    You still haven't corrected the biggest error from the last to!e this was tried, and ultimately it's down to the flaw most regulatory bills have

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    (Original post by Nigel Farage MEP)
    There is nothing in the bill to make sure the women are not being forced to turn to prostitution, there is nothing in the bill to make sure women are not being smuggled for sex, to make sure women receive a fair share of the money generated from clients, to explain how the minimum wage would work, to protect the emotional welfare of the prostitutes, to detail if there will be inspections by the local authorities, how the local authorities will decide if a brothel should be given a licence, who can work in the brothel, the cleanliness of the brothel, why reviews every decade are effective, how standards will be kept up in the brothels between reviews, the process for complaining about a brothel, what the standards a brothel needs to meet are, how many sexual partners a prostitute can have before being examined for a sexually transmitted disease, if there is a maximum shift length for the prostitutes, how prostitute will be protected against sexual assaults from clients, and what clients can reasonably expect.

    The bill is a terrible attempt at legalising brothels because the bill does not properly regulate the industry, nor does the bill clearly explain how brothels will operate. I doubt you would be happy for your daughter to become a prostitute at the age of 18 when in sixth form because your daughter viewed prostitution as easy money, however, you find it acceptable for there to be a bill allowing other young girls to become prostitutes. The girls becoming prostitutes will be vulnerable girls from backgrounds where there may not have been parents, or where parents were not supportive; these girls are not being protected. The bill fails to address how the young girls will be protected from being forced to do prostitution because there is no alternative to prostitution in the mind of the vulnerable young girls most likely to turn to be impacted. The bill operates on the premise that every individual choosing to enter prostitution is of sound judgement when making a decision to enter prostitution, and is in full control of their actions, however, that is not the case, emotionally unstable girls with nothing in life need to be protected.
    Firstly, all Brothels have to comply with the Health and Safety at Work Act. It is down to local authorities to accept or reject licenses for Brothels and also allows them to self-regulate within their local area (Section 2.11 of the bill). It is reasonable to assume that there would be support from Sixth Forms and the Local Authorities to stop young girls to go into prostitution as well as the protection of all workers, as is written in the notes with the costing. That's £800m a year going in to securing the safety of all workers and all young girls. Furthermore, at 18 years old, it is ultimately, in my view, the person's choice to become a sex worker or not. At least this way, they can be protected properly. Licences are renewed annually and can be terminated at any point - they last a decade as there is no point in having a brothel owner reapply every year. The number of sexual partners a worker has is irrelevant - a time period is set out in the bill.

    Finally, you could and should have said any of this in the first reading, so the bill could actually be improved further - instead, you have chosen to say it now as you want to see this bill fail for purely idealogical reasons, and you know full well that I will not be able to get out another reading in time.
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    (Original post by Jammy Duel)
    You still haven't corrected the biggest error from the last to!e this was tried, and ultimately it's down to the flaw most regulatory bills have

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