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    I'm gonna go have a shower I will reply to new posts when I'm back. Very interesting discussion
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    Call a male him/he/his
    Call a female her/she/hers
    These are the only real genders. If someone wants to change between them you chose what you want to call them but they would probably pref the gender they are changing to. but just ask.
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    (Original post by SmallTownGirl)
    Pronouns don't tell you anything about sex. They don't even necessarily tell you anything about gender. But when someone asks you to use a certain pronoun set for them, you use it.

    Often trans people do mention their trans when looking for dates because they don't want to waste time talking to people who will reject them based on presumptions of what their genitals look like but also for their own safety. If you don't want to date men don't date trans men or cis men. But if someone says they're a woman, they are. So if you only want to date women stick to trans women or cis women.


    Well pronouns do actually tell you a lot about somone, if you said Oh she is over there, I know she is a woman.
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    (Original post by AperfectBalance)
    Well pronouns do actually tell you a lot about somone, if you said Oh she is over there, I know she is a woman.
    Not necessarily, like my example earlier of a contract which referred to both companies as 'he', regardless of the gender of the directors or staff of either company, or the fact that companies don't themselves have gender.
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    (Original post by FNPC)
    I'm gonna go have a shower I will reply to new posts when I'm back. Very interesting discussion
    For someone who said 'I have nothing wrong with trans people' and 'Of course I WILL respect what they want I just want to know.' you seem to have lots of problems with trans people and respecting trans people's identities.

    Anyone who wants to respect someone doesn't talk about how 'wrong' it is to respect them and then say it's a 'very interesting discussion'.
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    (Original post by minimarshmallow)
    Not necessarily, like my example earlier of a contract which referred to both companies as 'he', regardless of the gender of the directors or staff of either company, or the fact that companies don't themselves have gender.
    99% of the time saying oh she did it or its him. means a gender. while occasionally it may change it normally is straightfoward
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    (Original post by AperfectBalance)
    99% of the time saying oh she did it or its him. means a gender. while occasionally it may change it normally is straightfoward
    I think your statistic may be skewed.
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    (Original post by minimarshmallow)
    I think your statistic may be skewed.
    I am not claiming that this is a official stat but it is very rare to find it not being used to indicate gender and sex
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    (Original post by SmallTownGirl)
    WTF? HOW? If someone tells you their name's 'Dave' why would you think that's wrong? Do you ask to see ID with their name on it whenever you learn anyone's name?
    I would think it would wrong if I already knew their name was Rebecca. Also I wouldn't appreciate them lying to me. Also,mix they were a girl it would be a tad strange if their name was Dave, but still...
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    (Original post by AperfectBalance)
    I am not claiming that this is a official stat but it is very rare to find it not being used to indicate gender and sex
    You cannot tell someone's gender by their pronouns.
    You cannot tell someone's gender by their clothes/hair style etc.
    You cannot tell someone's gender by their body shape.
    You cannot tell someone's gender by their name.
    You cannot tell someone's gender by their genitals.

    The ONLY way you can tell someone's gender is when THEY TELL YOU.
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    (Original post by FNPC)
    I would think it would wrong if I already knew their name was Rebecca. Also I wouldn't appreciate them lying to me. Also,mix they were a girl it would be a tad strange if their name was Dave, but still...
    Yeah I know how you feel
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    (Original post by minimarshmallow)
    Not necessarily, like my example earlier of a contract which referred to both companies as 'he', regardless of the gender of the directors or staff of either company, or the fact that companies don't themselves have gender.
    I've never heard of a company being called he TBH.
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    (Original post by SmallTownGirl)
    For someone who said 'I have nothing wrong with trans people' and 'Of course I WILL respect what they want I just want to know.' you seem to have lots of problems with trans people and respecting trans people's identities.

    Anyone who wants to respect someone doesn't talk about how 'wrong' it is to respect them and then say it's a 'very interesting discussion'.
    I never said it was wrong to respect them as a person, song lie to demonise me
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    (Original post by SmallTownGirl)
    You cannot tell someone's gender by their pronouns.
    You cannot tell someone's gender by their clothes/hair style etc.
    You cannot tell someone's gender by their body shape.
    You cannot tell someone's gender by their name.
    You cannot tell someone's gender by their genitals.

    The ONLY way you can tell someone's gender is when THEY TELL YOU.
    I'm sorry but that's simply NOT TRUE. If someone has a penis, they are a man. If they have larger hips for example, they are a woman. There are biological differences
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    (Original post by FNPC)
    I would think it would wrong if I already knew their name was Rebecca. Also I wouldn't appreciate them lying to me. Also,mix they were a girl it would be a tad strange if their name was Dave, but still...
    Why would they be lying to you? If someone says their name's 'Dave' that's their name. Whether you used to know them as 'Rebecca'. Whether 'Rebecca' is on their ID. Whether they look more like a 'Rebecca' than a 'Dave'. They've told you to call them 'Dave' so calling them 'Dave' is just basic respect.
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    (Original post by SmallTownGirl)
    You cannot tell someone's gender by their pronouns.
    You cannot tell someone's gender by their clothes/hair style etc.
    You cannot tell someone's gender by their body shape.
    You cannot tell someone's gender by their name.
    You cannot tell someone's gender by their genitals.

    The ONLY way you can tell someone's gender is when THEY TELL YOU.
    Nope, genitals pretty much do make a gender.
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    (Original post by AperfectBalance)
    Nope, genitals pretty much do make a gender.
    True
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    (Original post by SmallTownGirl)
    Why would they be lying to you? If someone says their name's 'Dave' that's their name. Whether you used to know them as 'Rebecca'. Whether 'Rebecca' is on their ID. Whether they look more like a 'Rebecca' than a 'Dave'. They've told you to call them 'Dave' so calling them 'Dave' is just basic respect.
    If I say I'm the king of the world am I the King of the world? Obviously not. Please stop being so unreasonable
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    (Original post by FNPC)
    I never said it was wrong to respect them as a person, song lie to demonise me
    Respecting someone 'as a person' includes respecting their gender and the name they've asked you to call them.

    (Original post by FNPC)
    I'm sorry but that's simply NOT TRUE. If someone has a penis, they are a man. If they have larger hips for example, they are a woman. There are biological differences
    Not only is this massively wrong and disgustingly cissexist, it's also hilarious. If penis = man and larger hips = woman then how do you categorise a trans woman who started hormone blockers at the beginning of puberty and then took Oestrogen and so has 'womanly hips' but hasn't had bottom surgery?
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    (Original post by FNPC)
    If I say I'm the king of the world am I the King of the world? Obviously not. Please stop being so unreasonable
    It's unreasonable for trans people to ask you to use their chosen name and their pronouns?

    What does this respect for trans people ACTUALLY include?
 
 
 
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