are immigrants taking our jobs/ harming the british public chances

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    Some immigrants are better than others. I don't like when people say "immigrants" as if they were a single entity.
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    (Original post by Phoebe Buffay)
    And it's strange you cite Japan. You know the Japanese are not dealing with their ageing population problems by allowing in immigrants en masse. Certainly not at the levels we have seen in recent decades in this country.
    Er, yeah?

    That's why their problems still exist.
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    No one is taking jobs. The job goes to the best suited applicant. The fact that some of the jobs go to immigrants, despite the prejudice that exists whether we want to admit it or not, simply says that they are better suited to those jobs.

    No immigrant goes through so much, leaving their whole life behind, only put on a tracksuit and move to a council estate. We go through it because we will do whatever it takes to afford food.

    It's the same as saying that the hardworking British people are taking jobs away from those who never bothered to show up at school or get any qualifications.
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    (Original post by HAnwar)
    Maybe immigrants will do a better job and are more passionate to work than your average lazy British person.
    What an incredibly ignorant thing to say.
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    (Original post by Phoebe Buffay)
    Indeed, our population is ageing. But immigrants age too, and some may decide to stay here permanently. And then what, even more immigrants?

    And it's strange you cite Japan. You know the Japanese are not dealing with their ageing population problems by allowing in immigrants en masse. Certainly not at the levels we have seen in recent decades in this country.
    A huge part of Japan's problem arises from their xenophobia because they won't accept the immigrants that they need. They're facing a crisis because of it.
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    Honestly, if an immigrant comes over, has not a penny to their name, can barely speak the language, has no experience in any professional business and takes your job, im sorry but you're s***. You should be the one in the spotlight!!
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    (Original post by JordanL_)
    A huge part of Japan's problem arises from their xenophobia because they won't accept the immigrants that they need. They're facing a crisis because of it.
    Japan is projected to be uninhabited in a 1000 years time.
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    "Takes your job"

    Ugh, spare me the entitlement, it's obvious that you don't want extra overseas competition when it's better than you at doing something, whether it's trading derivatives or picking strawberries.
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    Often, the people blaming immigrants for 'stealing' jobs from the British are the ones who are 'all talk' and no action. A job will go to the highest suited applicant and a lot of immigrants tend to migrate here and posses better skills and qualifications than some people in Britain. A lot of people who are unemployed, on benefits tend to be unmotivated and they believe they are entitled to more than what a job entails. Most people on benefits tend to stay on benefits as they won't have to pay tax etc but if you complain about receiving a job, you can't expect one to pay everything off. You work hard and receive what you earn and deserve.

    Immigration, despite it's hatred can have a positive effect on economy, especially those who are wealthy and invest in London's properties and businesses.
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    (Original post by JordanL_)
    A huge part of Japan's problem arises from their xenophobia because they won't accept the immigrants that they need. They're facing a crisis because of it.
    I thought it was because they faced a strong competition from South Korea, Taiwan and even China. They also have a psychotic aversion to VAT that drains their budget.
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    (Original post by Rhythmical)
    Often, the people blaming immigrants for 'stealing' jobs from the British are the ones who are 'all talk' and no action. A job will go to the highest suited applicant and a lot of immigrants tend to migrate here and posses better skills and qualifications than some people in Britain. A lot of people who are unemployed, on benefits tend to be unmotivated and they believe they are entitled to more than what a job entails. Most people on benefits tend to stay on benefits as they won't have to pay tax etc but if you complain about receiving a job, you can't expect one to pay everything off. You work hard and receive what you earn and deserve.

    Immigration, despite it's hatred can have a positive effect on economy, especially those who are wealthy and invest in London's properties and businesses.
    - You have people who go to the UK to work on high paid jobs. They will pay a lot of tax and positively contribute to the economy. If employers are ready to take the risk to spend a lot of money on them, it means that they have skills that cannot be find at home and are westernised.

    - You have people who go to the UK to work on low paid jobs, which are still better than their wages in their native country. If employers bring them in the UK, it means that they can be paid less than native Brits. As a result, they won't pay much tax and will live in ghettos, since they cannot afford to live in a better place; they will also prefer to stick with their network of fellow immigrants so they can better cope with living costs.

    - And you have people who go to the UK because life looks better there. They are not educated, don't have skills, sometimes don't even speak English, so they don't have a job and live in slums.


    All these people are immigrants, but only the first category is worth it. Overall the net contribution may be positive, but it would be much better without the latter two categories.
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    (Original post by richard10012)
    Can the UK economy cope with the level of immigration the UK is facing? Is the economy creating enough jobs? Has immigration caused the housing crisis?
    The economy can cope yes but the people don't want it to as mass migration brings lower wages, and more competition for houses and services


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    (Original post by Sebastian Bartlett)
    Wrong, the Birth Rate has actually been on the rise and even the TFR for White British Women has risen considerably since the lows of the early 2000's. Births outnumber deaths and so natural population increase still occurs. Immigration is also vital to the growth rate but please don't state things that are wrong.
    The World Bank says that our birth rate has been hovering around 1.90 births per woman since the 1980's. Could you post your source please?
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    (Original post by richard10012)
    Can the UK economy cope with the level of immigration the UK is facing? Is the economy creating enough jobs? Has immigration caused the housing crisis?
    It depends on the type of immigrants coming in. If you are concerned only about the UK economy then the immigrants are important because they bring take jobs that aren't popular and most of the economic migrants are young and quite qualified so that they are productive as well. They are productive enough to be considered a viable alternative to natives.

    I live in a very multicultural area (not London) and we have a lot of immigrants from eastern europe and the Iberian peninsula and a good number of south Asians. From my experience, immigrants from eastern europe take up the manual labour jobs most often though now we are seeing more UK qualified entry level professionals like teaching assistants and so on. The eastern Europeans are almost more productive and cheaper than native Brits but this has changed in the last 3-4 years because the eastern Europeans now have families and they want more, so after an initial fall in wages for manual labour workers due to immigration they are now on the rise again, anecdotally.

    Also, the local hospital is mostly staffed by Spanish, Portuguese and Filipino nurses who are well qualified (at least the Spanish and Portuguese) and are here because they want jobs and their home economies are rubbish.

    The housing crisis is caused a multitude of factors, there never is one reason. Supply of affordable houses and the two asset bubbles we have had have priced most people out of the property ladder. Add to that the fact that wages across the board haven't kept up with housing inflation, then we have an exacerbation of this problem.

    I think that the language barrier with immigrants is always with migrants in manual labour at the start, it gets better with time because these people are employed and they have to engage with us.

    As an economist I can tell you that immigration is always very good for the economy because it raises our growth rate and all the benefits that brings. In the long run, wages rise but in the short run they can fall depending on the type of immigrants coming in (low skilled or high skilled). If we have low skille immigrants then low skilled natives will suffer but high skilled workers will benefit because their work in now more valuable and vice versa. Immigration creates winners and losers in the short run and more winners than losers in the long run. I would say that as an economist I think that immigrants are beneficial.
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    In living in a foreign country you learn the language pretty quickly so the language barrier is only a temporary problem. Immigrants also tend to take the jobs which are less popular, so they benefit the economy. Perhaps, in 50 years time, the person who discovers a cure for a fatal disease or invents something new and revolutionary, would have been an immigrant at this time. If we educate immigrants, than in the next generation we will have new doctors, nurses, teachers etc.

    Do they benefit the economy? Yes.
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    most imigratnts are taking jobs that is true
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    no one else wants those jobs like cleaners and refuse collection for example
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    How can someone steal a job?

    You cannot possibly steal something which did not belong to either of the two parties. If the employer chooses the immigrant over the natives its their business its their choice. Also anyone who says immigrants bring down wages in just a moron.

    Secondly a lot of people on this thread seem to be under the impression that ALL immigrants are uneducated. Yet your local hospital and GP surgery is full of "immigrant" doctors, im sure if we kick them out the, all the people in the job center can fill up their positions. What about immigrants who run businesses in this country? Shall we stop them trading and employing people because the owner is a "immigrant" see how unemployment fares then?
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    Yes. Yes. No.
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    (Original post by FourSeasons)
    In living in a foreign country you learn the language pretty quickly so the language barrier is only a temporary problem. Immigrants also tend to take the jobs which are less popular, so they benefit the economy. Perhaps, in 50 years time, the person who discovers a cure for a fatal disease or invents something new and revolutionary, would have been an immigrant at this time. If we educate immigrants, than in the next generation we will have new doctors, nurses, teachers etc.

    Do they benefit the economy? Yes.
    They don't pay direct tax on their small wages; they put a pressure on salaries, and also increase rents. I doubt they have a positive impact overall.
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    (Original post by Josb)
    - You have people who go to the UK to work on high paid jobs. They will pay a lot of tax and positively contribute to the economy. If employers are ready to take the risk to spend a lot of money on them, it means that they have skills that cannot be find at home and are westernised.

    - You have people who go to the UK to work on low paid jobs, which are still better than their wages in their native country. If employers bring them in the UK, it means that they can be paid less than native Brits. As a result, they won't pay much tax and will live in ghettos, since they cannot afford to live in a better place; they will also prefer to stick with their network of fellow immigrants so they can better cope with living costs.

    - And you have people who go to the UK because life looks better there. They are not educated, don't have skills, sometimes don't even speak English, so they don't have a job and live in slums.


    All these people are immigrants, but only the first category is worth it. Overall the net contribution may be positive, but it would be much better without the latter two categories.
    I mean this is pretty much spot on
 
 
 
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