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    (Original post by Sebastian Bartlett)
    Also you realise cheaper pound tends to lead to stronger exports (basic economics but wouldn't expect you to know that).
    Actually basic economics tells us that because we are a net importer that having a weak pound will have a negative impact on the UK.
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    (Original post by similarBlank)
    Sorry, I guess I've never seen sarcasm being used in an unmocking way before.

    Mocking someone, suggested by your sarcasm, suggests you think they are idiots in my opinion. Doing that and then claiming you didn't mean it like that seems to be kind of like Passive aggresivism.

    Oh, and the good ol' trying to accuse me of the same thing I accused you of? I didn't make a single inclination that I "hate", your word not mine, in my post and remained very neutral, but because it pointed out flaws in the way you made your post you're suddenly accusing me of being, according to the definition, a bigot.

    P.S. Did you like my sarcasm in the first line? Did you feel like it was mocking you? That's because that's practically the purpose of sarcasm, which I needed to show on that example.
    ... and that's the reason it's leading nowhere. Noone is watching our debate and we'll continue to accuse each other for beings bigots.
    Ok then you are right , I'm wrong and bigot
    Please report the post (if you haven't already) so that we can end this here ok?
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    Vote Out-free market baby! Cut all the red tape and frack the hell out of the UK , ban unions and get rid of workers rights, we are a competive and dynamic sovereign nation state (apart from when it comes to NATO, climate change and global capitalism, ). We can carry on selling guns and missiles to Saudis Arabia and let our bankers earn as much as they want. We'll take power away from the EU and give it to tax exile corporates (some of whom run our media) we'll get of all that stupid regulation and let companies put what they want in our food. If you'd don't like it, buy from another supermarket and if they put **** in their food too you. Better suck it up baby, cos that's freedom.


    Or vote in ( the opposite of the above)
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    (Original post by Swanbow)
    Out, for various reasons.

    Removing the UK from the shackles of an inefficient
    bureaucratic, neo-liberal institution that has failed since the financial collapse is my primary reason.
    How could the EU be more efficient in your eyes? The problem with the efficiency is the democratic element and vice versa- by clinging onto sovereignty nation states make the EU less democratic and are essentially giving up their sovereignty anyway. A fully democratic EU is inevitable though.

    Bureaucracy isnt aLWays a bad thing.

    Neo-liberal- it's positively socialist compared to what Boris Johnson has got planned, (who is going to be in charge post brexit)
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    (Original post by Vesniep)
    Is that ironic? Did I say something funny?
    But oh see that happy face in the end it makes me feel good
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    Seriously now I don't know if I said anything extreme , so please let me find out.

    Nah, nothing extreme check my post before on some brexit inreality idiot. I think United States of Europe would be perfect but democracy always holds us back.
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    (Original post by max.pietra)
    Look. The fact is that voting out takes away thousands of jobs from hard-working British people. Is that really fair? Of course the EU Isn't perfect. But it's what we have! And we should be grateful for it. Yes the capital shouldn't be Brussels and the EU parliament needs to be reformed but these little things don't affect the big idea of the point of the EU. The EU is the biggest player on the global trade scene and the amount the UK pays to stay in the EU is nothing if you look at the amount we generate each year.
    I'm afraid that if we leave, there will be a long gap (years) of figuring out how we would survive alone. New Treaties, new laws, countless arguments and the ultimate division of the UK public. It would never end.
    Sorry, I'm going to have to correct you here.

    1) The loss of jobs argument has been debunked over and over. Those jobs mentioned are reliant on trade not on the EU. If we leave the EU then the trade will switch to another source so there's really no threat there. Besides, even if what the in people are fearmongering about could actually happen, it'll be just as damaging for the EU as it is for us so they're unlikely to cut us out of the free trade union.

    2) Actually, there won't be a gap at all. Leaving the EU isn't going to be an instantaneous thing. For starters, the EU has a 2 year period in which free trade with a leaving nation is continued, to allow them enough time to get new trade agreements made. Then there's the fact that the new trade agreements are likely to be worked out prior to actually leaving the EU.
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    (Original post by ckfeister)
    Nah, nothing extreme check my post before on some brexit inreality idiot. I think United States of Europe would be perfect but democracy always holds us back.
    Ukippers always bang on about common sense, but to me the whole idea of a f emerald Europe is the most logical option we could go with.

    imagine how much cheaper and more effective things could be if we had say a common border agency for instance, or the start of an EU army rather than the massively wasteful state that is NATO? Just as a small example., wel'll be saving millions tat really could go on our schools or the nhs etc .
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    (Original post by ForcePotential)
    Who is voting to leave the EU and why?
    the 350 million a week we save
    it could negatively affect my rivals
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    (Original post by Sebastian Bartlett)
    So you are scared, don't take risks and don't like change. Well if we had that attitude we would still be cavemen scared of fire.
    Appalling logic. Would you just run into the middle of a busy road without looking? No? Why?
    You're scared!
    Well if we still had that attitude we would still be cavemen...

    There's a difference between taking a calculated risk when the odds are good and taking a reckless risk, when you have no idea what will happen. Brexiters are pretty much advocating running out into the middle of the road without looking and apparently if you oppose that, you're a coward and scared.
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    (Original post by Bornblue)
    In. Let's not take a step into the dark and cross our fingers.
    Staying in is an equally sized "step into the dark". The EU is vastly different to what it was 10/20/30 years ago.

    (Original post by ckfeister)
    Ok so, here reality.

    £350 million a week? Nahhh.. what if its not a free trade deal? Also, some of that actually comes BACK to UK into other projects so all that would happen is we'll control where it goes to, as it already goes to farmers, space programmes etc.. More like £130 million, who said we'll grow in the future anyway if we left? Unemployement is rising and slower growth as well as lower pound value, take a hint.
    Lower pound value's good.
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    ckfeister "Ok so, here reality.

    £350 million a week? Nahhh.. what if its not a free trade deal? Also, some of that actually comes BACK to UK "

    SMH!!!

    You never want to improve anything do you? It's a scandal that we don't get all of it back!

    Is it that you do not trust the UK to spend that money, that you think the EU is better off taking our money and giving us half back?

    Remain option:
    It's like going to school, giving your mate 5 quid and asking for £2.5 back to spend. But, you also can't go to china's shop, or India's, or Brazil, or any others bar a few. There are also rules you have to follow btw , the teachers will make those.
    Leave option:
    Or, if you beleive in brexit you can keep the £5 and go to any shop you want, including the EU shop. The rules you follow are made by an eleted student council.

    Ty for the laugh, your logic is great btw, nice try.
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    (Original post by ForcePotential)
    Who is voting to leave the EU and why?
    Out.
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    (Original post by Bornblue)
    Appalling logic. Would you just run into the middle of a busy road without looking? No? Why?
    You're scared!
    Well if we still had that attitude we would still be cavemen...

    There's a difference between taking a calculated risk when the odds are good and taking a reckless risk, when you have no idea what will happen. Brexiters are pretty much advocating running out into the middle of the road without looking and apparently if you oppose that, you're a coward and scared.
    You have no idea how the EU will be in the future so it goes both ways.

    (Original post by Davij038)
    Ukippers always bang on about common sense, but to me the whole idea of a f emerald Europe is the most logical option we could go with.

    imagine how much cheaper and more effective things could be if we had say a common border agency for instance, or the start of an EU army rather than the massively wasteful state that is NATO? Just as a small example., wel'll be saving millions tat really could go on our schools or the nhs etc .
    NATO isn't a state.
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    Most people voting to remain seem to only care about money. Those wanting to leave want to do so to make the UK a sovereign country again, implementing its own laws and customs without the red tape and bureaucracy of a bloated European Union.

    If you want to be part of a United States of Europe, vote to remain. Otherwise, vote to leave.
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    (Original post by 雷尼克)
    I can't believe you're outright denying that a Brexit would cost us jobs.
    Well for the EMPs maybe but not for the rest of us!

    http://www.iea.org.uk/sites/default/...20Myth_web.pdf
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    (Original post by 雷尼克)
    That thing contradicts itself so many times its unreal.

    Leaving the EU will, in the short term, shut down trade deals - and we realistically don't have much certainty as to how long it will take to form new ones. And losing trade deals loses jobs.

    And what for? We will still have to trade with Europe, just as we have been for a long time, but instead we now have zero influence over these trade deals.
    Trust me, that won't be a problem. Go take a gander at the EU legislation about countries leaving the union, particularly at the trade section.
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    (Original post by BaronK)
    You have no idea how the EU will be in the future so it goes both ways.



    NATO isn't a state.
    It doesn't go both ways.
    We can never be certain of anything, but remaining in the eu gives us greater certainty what will happen than if we leave.

    Which trade deals will we sign if we leave? Go on, be specific...

    Staying in the eu is staying how we are, leaving is crossing your fingers and jumping off a cliff, hoping for a pile of cushions at the bottom.
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    (Original post by Swanbow)
    Out, for various reasons.

    Removing the UK from the shackles of an inefficient, bureaucratic, neo-liberal institution that has failed since the financial collapse is my primary reason.
    Let me get this straight, you want to leave a neo-liberal right wing organisation so we can be ruled by the uber right wing neo liberal boris johnson?

    The European Union guarantees worker rights to all, do you trust Boris johnson and the Tory right with them?
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    (Original post by Jammy Duel)
    By that logic you shouldn't be voting at all as there is no option to freeze everything as it is now. I'll ask you again, what will the EU look like in even just 5 years?

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    Broadly the same as it is now and as it did 5 years ago.
    What will we look like in 5 years outside the Eu? That's the more pressing question since you are advocating the far greater change.
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    (Original post by Bornblue)
    It doesn't go both ways.
    We can never be certain of anything, but remaining in the eu gives us greater certainty what will happen than if we leave.

    Which trade deals will we sign if we leave? Go on, be specific...

    Staying in the eu is staying how we are, leaving is crossing your fingers and jumping off a cliff, hoping for a pile of cushions at the bottom.
    I wish I had a crystal ball to tell you but unfortunately I don't. You'll have to leave it to the exit negotiators and future governments, but there will no doubt be a plenty.

    Staying in the EU is how we are. 10 years ago if we had this referendum who would have foresaw the Lisbon treaty, the Migrant crisis, go back 20/5 Maastricht treaty and the euro etc. EU has changed significantly and it will only continue to do so, if leaving is crossing your fingers and jumping off a cliff then staying is crossing your fingers and hoping you don't hit a land mine.
 
 
 
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