The astonishing vestigial hard right hatred of gay people

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    (Original post by AngryRedhead)
    That's what missionaries do; the ones appointed by God to go to these places and spread the light of Christ to those people. I am not one of those special 'called' people so I'm more than happy to stay in the UK and contribute to them and other charities financially.

    It's hard to explain; the best way I can say it is that I have a personal relationship with Jesus wherein I recognise that I am a sinner and I have sinned; and I repented and accepted him into my life when I was 16.
    If hell was a place of eternal torment then it'd make sense to divert all your effort to preventing people going there rather than giving them one extra meal whilst still on Earth. Wouldn't allowing such great suffering to occur be a sin?

    So what about those who feel the exact same way about figures of their religion and believe it to be the only true one? Why does yours trump theirs?

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    (Original post by AngryRedhead)
    So what would you consider a Christian extremist then? Those mentioned in the OP?
    The equivalent of a Muslim extremist obviously!

    Don't wear clothes woven of 2 materials
    No eating of fat
    Offer salt to God
    No eating blood
    Always report all wrongdoings you see at all times otherwise face punishment
    Don't TOUCH an unclean animal
    Don't make promises lightly (ie no pinky swear)
    Don't bring unauthorised fire before God cause he will smite you
    Don't tear your clothes (or you will die)
    Don't eat fish
    Don't eat any birds
    Don't go to church until 33 days after birth if you had a boy
    Don't eat fruits that fell on the ground
    No cross bred dogs as pets
    No trimming of beard
    No tattoos
    Don't stand in the presence of the elderly

    http://hill-kleerup.org/blog/2012/06...penalties.html
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    (Original post by RobML)
    If hell was a place of eternal torment then it'd make sense to divert all your effort to preventing people going there rather than giving them one extra meal whilst still on Earth. Wouldn't allowing such great suffering to occur be a sin?

    So what about those who feel the exact same way about figures of their religion and believe it to be the only true one? Why does yours trump theirs?

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    The charities I support evangelise aswell as provide food, water, medical aid etc. Practical Christianity is just as important as spreading the gospel. Who is going to listen to you about Jesus when they're severely dehydrated, malnourished and ridden with disease?

    I've yet to come across a person of another faith that describes their relationship with their god as a personal one and has had spiritual experiences and the like. Can they say they know their god personally? Probably not. It's hard to quantify but I'm trying my best
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    (Original post by ServantOfMorgoth)
    The equivalent of a Muslim extremist obviously!

    Don't wear clothes woven of 2 materials
    No eating of fat
    Offer salt to God
    No eating blood
    Always report all wrongdoings you see at all times otherwise face punishment
    Don't TOUCH an unclean animal
    Don't make promises lightly (ie no pinky swear)
    Don't bring unauthorised fire before God cause he will smite you
    Don't tear your clothes (or you will die)
    Don't eat fish
    Don't eat any birds
    Don't go to church until 33 days after birth if you had a boy
    Don't eat fruits that fell on the ground
    No cross bred dogs as pets
    No trimming of beard
    No tattoos
    Don't stand in the presence of the elderly

    http://hill-kleerup.org/blog/2012/06...penalties.html
    Tbf, I do those I bolded.

    I feel as if the Christians who adhere to those haven't quite understood the NT somehow.... If they want to do that, that's fine but it won't get them into heaven by biblical standards
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    (Original post by AngryRedhead)
    Tbf, I do those I bolded.

    I feel as if the Christians who adhere to those haven't quite understood the NT somehow.... If they want to do that, that's fine but it won't get them into heaven by biblical standards
    And you think ISLAMIC terrorists understand the Quran? These is the sort of behaviours that are done by extremists. This s why I don't understand why you'd label yourself as a fanatic. As I said earlier, open a dictionary.

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    >one far right guy spouts nonsense
    >label the WHOLE right wing as homophobic

    Because that's fair right? I'm sure there's people on the left who aren't a fan of homosexuals.
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    (Original post by AngryRedhead)
    The charities I support evangelise aswell as provide food, water, medical aid etc. Practical Christianity is just as important as spreading the gospel. Who is going to listen to you about Jesus when they're severely dehydrated, malnourished and ridden with disease?

    I've yet to come across a person of another faith that describes their relationship with their god as a personal one and has had spiritual experiences and the like. Can they say they know their god personally? Probably not. It's hard to quantify but I'm trying my best
    I think all people would prefer to starve to death in this life rather than suffer eternally in the next, hence why I say conversion being prioritised over all over forms of help. I don't see how you couldn't be out on the street, trying to convert people yourself.

    Then you probably haven't spoken to many people of different faiths at all; they nearly all have the same type of justification for their beliefs! So again I'll ask, why are your beliefs infinitely more legitimate than theirs?

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    (Original post by RobML)
    I think all people would prefer to starve to death in this life rather than suffer eternally in the next, hence why I say conversion being prioritised over all over forms of help. I don't see how you couldn't be out on the street, trying to convert people yourself.

    Then you probably haven't spoken to many people of different faiths at all; they nearly all have the same type of justification for their beliefs! So again I'll ask, why are your beliefs infinitely more legitimate than theirs?

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    Faith without works is dead; even Jesus fed the masses that came to hear him speak with bread and fish, did he not?

    We have the Holy Spirit; they cannot claim the same thing. Most other faiths claim you get into heaven or paradise or nirvana or whatever by doing good deeds. In Christianity alone is faith the only thing that can save you. And not just faith in anything; In Jesus
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    (Original post by HanSoloLuck)
    I don't get it, what that person posted seemed somewhat reasonable. He/she wasn't promoting hatred or encouraging violence, somewhat indifferent granted but he did make a few solid points.
    Yep, obviously totally reasonable to claim that nobody likes people, that they have no real friendships with heterosexuals and are widely despised. Totally reasonable to say that people are indifferent to ISIS killing gay people :rolleyes:

    It is extremely revealing about you, though.

    You/we/they know what ISIS are going to do, if you can't keep incognito with your libido then they should get out of dodge
    What a remarkably douchey comment. One of the people executed for homosexuality, a 15 year old boy, was executed because he had been raped (by an ISIS commander). Many others have been executed because they are brought in for questioning for something else and their phones are searched, or when one gay person is captured and tortured they find out who his friends and ex-boyfriends are.

    But don't let the facts get in the way of your vacuous assertion that this must have something to do with deviant gay people being unable to control themselves

    people and society at large prefer those similar to themselves, that means other heterosexuals first and foremost. Just like people are all inherently racist whether they know it or not, and prefer people of the same race.
    You shouldn't confuse your own experiences in the lower-class with the situation in society generally. Things are rather different amongst people with education and accomplishment, people close to the nerve of power. Sexuality is considered completely irrelevant amongst such people, though I can understand how in lower socio-economic groups it may take some time for you to catch up

    There is always going to be a pecking order when it comes to social hierarchy, homosexuals are always going to be a minority fringe group in any society and never part of the core.
    I'm sorry to say we're already part of the core group. Entry to that group is dictated by education, professional accomplishment and money. You seem upset by it but you really have to bring yourself to deal with reality.
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    (Original post by ServantOfMorgoth)
    And you think ISLAMIC terrorists understand the Quran? These is the sort of behaviours that are done by extremists. This s why I don't understand why you'd label yourself as a fanatic. As I said earlier, open a dictionary.

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    Have you ever read the Qu'ran? I think they understand it perfectly.

    Ah well, it's obviously different outside of Christian circles but it's sometimes a good thing to be recognised as fanatical for Christ within certain circles as long as you're living your life how Jesus did it
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    (Original post by TheIr0nDuke)
    >one far right guy spouts nonsense
    >label the WHOLE right wing as homophobic

    Because that's fair right? I'm sure there's people on the left who aren't a fan of homosexuals.
    It may help if you actually read the OP and other comments on the thread where I clearly say that I know not all right-wingers are like this and that these comments reflect views that are fringe views.
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    (Original post by AngryRedhead)
    Faith without works is dead; even Jesus fed the masses that came to hear him speak with bread and fish, did he not?

    We have the Holy Spirit; they cannot claim the same thing. Most other faiths claim you get into heaven or paradise or nirvana or whatever by doing good deeds. In Christianity alone is faith the only thing that can save you. And not just faith in anything; In Jesus
    You seem pretty fixated on heaven. Is that the main reason you believe what you believe? Because of reward?
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    (Original post by ServantOfMorgoth)
    The equivalent of a Muslim extremist obviously!

    Don't wear clothes woven of 2 materials
    No eating of fat
    Offer salt to God
    No eating blood
    Always report all wrongdoings you see at all times otherwise face punishment
    Don't TOUCH an unclean animal
    Don't make promises lightly (ie no pinky swear)
    Don't bring unauthorised fire before God cause he will smite you
    Don't tear your clothes (or you will die)
    Don't eat fish
    Don't eat any birds
    Don't go to church until 33 days after birth if you had a boy
    Don't eat fruits that fell on the ground
    No cross bred dogs as pets
    No trimming of beard
    No tattoos
    Don't stand in the presence of the elderly

    http://hill-kleerup.org/blog/2012/06...penalties.html
    Surprised you left this one out:

    Eating – or touching the carcass of – flying insects with four legs, unless those legs are jointed (11:20-22) [“You will be unclean.”]
    Seriously, what the **** is that about...
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    (Original post by BeastOfSyracuse)
    It may help if you actually read the OP and other comments on the thread where I clearly say that I know not all right-wingers are like this and that these comments reflect views that are fringe views.
    There are fringe views on the left that are just as despicable.

    Although you should be making a thread raging against Islam, rather than homophobic right wingers.
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    (Original post by AngryRedhead)
    Have you ever read the Qu'ran? I think they understand it perfectly.

    Ah well, it's obviously different outside of Christian circles but it's sometimes a good thing to be recognised as fanatical for Christ within certain circles as long as you're living your life how Jesus did it
    Implied in the definition of fanatic is the inability to think critically. Yes, I have read the Quran

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    (Original post by hezzlington)
    You seem pretty fixated on heaven. Is that the main reason you believe what you believe? Because of reward?
    The earth at the present time, whilst not exactly hellish (at least for those of us blessed enough to be in developed countries) could be better, couldn't it?
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    (Original post by AngryRedhead)
    Faith without works is dead; even Jesus fed the masses that came to hear him speak with bread and fish, did he not?

    We have the Holy Spirit; they cannot claim the same thing. Most other faiths claim you get into heaven or paradise or nirvana or whatever by doing good deeds. In Christianity alone is faith the only thing that can save you. And not just faith in anything; In Jesus
    Why isn't conversion "works"?
    Well, he fed them whilst knowing he would ALSO give them salvation. People such as you or I aren't capable of certainty in bringing others salvation, which is why you should focus on it with all your ability should you want to prevent greater suffering.

    Not really answering my question of why your beliefs are true and theirs aren't...
    Anyway, faith in Jesus as the son of God is not a free pass to heaven, one needs to also avoid sin. Surely you should know that...


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    (Original post by TheIr0nDuke)
    There are fringe views on the left that are just as despicable.

    Although you should be making a thread raging against Islam, rather than homophobic right wingers.
    I've made threads against both. I just made a thread specifically criticising ISIS murdering gay people in this way.

    I also regularly make threads attacking my comrades on the left for supporting terrorism and being an apologist for Islam.

    So please don't imply that somehow I'm being completely selective here. I have every right to bring attention to bigotry from certain fringe elements on the right, just as I regularly attack Islamism and its leftist fellow travellers
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    (Original post by ServantOfMorgoth)
    Implied in the definition of fanatic is the inability to think critically. Yes, I have read the Quran

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    Some on this site would say I lack the ability to think critically due to my faith.

    Anyway, I don't know; there do seem to be quite a lot of verses in the Qu'ran that advocate what ISIS are doing and there are no verses like those in the NT at least
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    (Original post by AngryRedhead)
    The earth at the present time, whilst not exactly hellish (at least for those of us blessed enough to be in developed countries) could be better, couldn't it?
    I don't mean to prod you but is there any possibility you might be able to make a sub-thread if you're going to get into a long theological debate, otherwise it makes it difficult for people who want to talk about the OP comment to follow their conversations on that topic
 
 
 
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