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    (Original post by ByEeek)
    I didn't. You did. You were harping on about Labour voters leaving Labour.
    That's not Tory vs Labour, I want to know the impact on both Tory and Labour due to their stance this campaign. You turned it into a debate about Labour vs Tory. Are you ok?
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    (Original post by MrsSheldonCooper)
    If we do go out, I would love to see how quiet some of the fanatic "In" tsrians would be.
    I imagine they feel the same about the outers?


    In the event of an in vote I hope In just win by a small margin, the Tory backbenchers get the knives out for Cameron who they blame for the loss, Tory civil war ensues.
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    (Original post by Omen96)
    I asked about the politics while your post was an insult to the leave voters. I see no reason for you to insult them in a political swipe if you know you've beaten them already. It shows what type of person you are to attack the very group you've beaten anyway, and you claim all the IN camp are honourable people. How is it in bed with Tony Blair, Cameron and the tax avoiding businesses?
    Tbh I see no reason in quoting you anymore 🙃
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    (Original post by ChaoticButterfly)
    I imagine they feel the same about the outers?


    In the event of an in vote I hope In just wing by a small margin, the Tory backbenchers get the knives out for Cameron who they blame for the loss, Tory civil war ensues.
    My money is on 75 IN 25 OUT

    And be careful what you wish for. I speak for a lot of OUT voters. Had Corbyn and a larger number from Labour went with out I could have possibly voted Labour. But there is no chance, no matter who is in opposition could I vote Labour while I live in this country. Labour have turned away every UKIP voter whoever abandoned them last election, have turned away any Labour voters who were concerned with the EU and the chances of Eurosceptic Tories ever considering them is 0. If what you say is true and OUT get say 48% or something that's almost half the country who can't associate with Labour not to mention not to mention SNP voters and many others.

    I don't even know who Labour stand up for anymore and that's coming from me who hates with a passion the Tory Cabinet. Labour can never get a majority again, that is something you will have to face
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    (Original post by Omen96)
    My money is on 75 IN 25 OUT

    And be careful what you wish for. I speak for a lot of OUT voters. Had Corbyn and a larger number from Labour went with out I could have possibly voted Labour. But there is no chance, no matter who is in opposition could I vote Labour while I live in this country. Labour have turned away every UKIP voter whoever abandoned them last election, have turned away any Labour voters who were concerned with the EU and the chances of Eurosceptic Tories ever considering them is 0. If what you say is true and OUT get say 48% or something that's almost half the country who can't associate with Labour not to mention not to mention SNP voters and many others.

    I don't even know who Labour stand up for anymore and that's coming from me who hates with a passion the Tory Cabinet. Labour can never get a majority again, that is something you will have to face
    I have sympathy with certain groups who advocate we leave. I don't at all like the UKIP "the immigrants are the problem". If Labour could win by adopting a harsh anti immigrant line and policies it isn't a trade off I would want.
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    In the scenario of remaining, it could be disastrous socially- economically we get quite a bit of trade from the European Union but i'm to lazy to do any real research on this. The reason why i think it will be a social disaster is because Turkey is to join the EU very soon and this will have a negative impact because many Syrians have migrated to Turkey and I have no doubt that ISIS have sent millitants mingilling in with them to try and expand in to Europe- the more people ISIS manage to brainwash in Turkey the higher the threat the moment they join the EU is the moment we will get Jihadists in the UK
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    (Original post by ChaoticButterfly)
    I have sympathy with certain groups who advocate we leave. I don't at all like the UKIP "the immigrants are the problem". If Labour could win by adopting a harsh anti immigrant line and policies it isn't a trade off I would want.
    Why is wanting to control immigration bad? I want a system of control where the numbers are sustainable, English is fluent, there is no criminal record and a job is lined up. Now point out in that list what was racism? That list complies with austrailian immigration law yet I don't see Labour attacking the LABOUR government who enforce that law in Australia. Hypocricy is strong
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    (Original post by drosstalk)
    In the scenario of remaining, it could be disastrous socially- economically we get quite a bit of trade from the European Union but i'm to lazy to do any real research on this. The reason why i think it will be a social disaster is because Turkey is to join the EU very soon and this will have a negative impact because many Syrians have migrated to Turkey and I have no doubt that ISIS have sent millitants mingilling in with them to try and expand in to Europe- the more people ISIS manage to brainwash in Turkey the higher the threat the moment they join the EU is the moment we will get Jihadists in the UK
    Not the question I was asking lol. How will politics change?
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    (Original post by Omen96)
    Not the question I was asking lol. How will politics change?
    It won't only that it will be more dangerous
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    (Original post by Omen96)
    Is that a success for euroscepticism or will it not matter?
    Will happen if vote out

    Or in a close vote as cameron is not popular anymore
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    (Original post by ByEeek)
    Not really. I remember the rampant homelessness during the last Tory government. It then by and large vanished during the Labour years. Now we have the Tories back in power, the homeless are now back in force again and that wonderful Third World institution, the Food Bank is now in every town.

    But you are right - I know nothing of Tory politics.
    Re-read my previous post.
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    (Original post by sdotd)
    Will happen if vote out

    Or in a close vote as cameron is not popular anymore
    Except the vast majority have accepted an OUT vote is impossible and the margin will be at least 13 points between them. I favour IN 75 and OUT 25 though
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    If we leave, it'll be likely that our next prime minister will be Boris Johnson.

    Reflect on that.
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    (Original post by Omen96)
    Except the vast majority have accepted an OUT vote is impossible and the margin will be at least 13 points between them. I favour IN 75 and OUT 25 though
    Yh cant see brexit winning unfortunately but the vote will be closer than some people think
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    (Original post by ChaoticButterfly)
    I have sympathy with certain groups who advocate we leave. I don't at all like the UKIP "the immigrants are the problem". If Labour could win by adopting a harsh anti immigrant line and policies it isn't a trade off I would want.
    I find it hysterical that 99% of criticism of UKIP is imaginary quoting. Well, that and incessant repetition of the same narratives over and over again (the same narratives which could also be applied, very easily, to LibLabCon). Then again, repetition is at the root of all learning and the public do need to be told what to think by their monopolistic broadcaster.

    We should all bow and pay homage to the Ministry of Truth - they've been sparing us the indignity of thinking for nearly 100 years.
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    (Original post by ImmunetoShaming)
    I find it hysterical that 99% of criticism of UKIP is imaginary quoting. Well, that and incessant repetition of the same narratives over and over again (the same narratives which could also be applied, very easily, to LibLabCon). Then again, repetition is at the root of all learning and the public do need to be told what to think by their monopolistic broadcaster.

    We should all bow and pay homage to the Ministry of Truth - they've been sparing us the indignity of thinking for nearly 100 years.
    I do find it amusing when they quote false policies which do not belong to UKIP. The famous one "they will chuck all immigrants out", I searched and searched for that one but could not find it. Demonstrates the lib/lab/con lot in a nutshell
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    (Original post by ImmunetoShaming)
    I find it hysterical that 99% of criticism of UKIP is imaginary quoting. Well, that and incessant repetition of the same narratives over and over again (the same narratives which could also be applied, very easily, to LibLabCon). Then again, repetition is at the root of all learning and the public do need to be told what to think by their monopolistic broadcaster.

    We should all bow and pay homage to the Ministry of Truth - they've been sparing us the indignity of thinking for nearly 100 years.
    Ahhh, so UKIP have no beef with the immigrants... They really need to sort their PR out if they are pro immigration, they are doing a terrible job.


    Incidentally it is possible to leave the EU and keep on taking in immigrants from the EU. But I don't think that is on message for the UKIPs.
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    (Original post by Omen96)
    I do find it amusing when they quote false policies which do not belong to UKIP. The famous one "they will chuck all immigrants out", I searched and searched for that one but could not find it. Demonstrates the lib/lab/con lot in a nutshell
    Pfft, it's called identity politics, which is basically a euphemism for 'spare me the indignity of thinking.' 'I will listen to what the BBC repeats incessantly, and it's perfectly capable, in the civilised world, of telling me what to think and feel.'

    It's not what UKIP says that matters, it's what one UKIP candidate says, and is repeated by the BBC in 118 separate news items, that matters; well, that and who we perceive every UKIP candidate is, rather than who they actually are, because the mob is always correct and clearly knows best.

    And if all else fails, just call them fascist (or racist, bigoted, xenophobic, sexist, or any other narrative which drops the anchor while the HMS Individualism sails towards port freedom). I mean, in the age of identity that probably isn't true either, what with the National Socialist German Workers Party and Mussolini proposing ever more centralisation of power and the destruction of laissez faire capitalism and liberal individualism...but heh, it's what the mob thinks.
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    (Original post by ChaoticButterfly)
    Ahhh, so UKIP have no beef with the immigrants... They really need to sort their PR out if they are pro immigration, they are doing a terrible job.


    Incidentally it is possible to leave the EU and keep on taking in immigrants from the EU. But I don't think that is on message for the UKIPs.
    Well, good for you. Bravo. It's nice to read you're relying on the PR machine to purify your political messages; some say you should exercise your brain, ignore the mantra of the mob and do your own thinking but, like you, I feel it's overrated. PR professionals make excellent politicians.

    As for your latter point: of course. The only difference is there's no compulsion to do so.
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    Farage will continue to be irrelevant.
    Ukip, I predict at some point may stray from Euro concern and move to being more of a libertarian party (or, I'd hope). Alternately, they'd move to being the Sinn Fein of MEPs. I'm not sure. Many of my acquaintances there would suit the former, or would move back to Tories.

    Tories... well the in-fighting would finally stop, I hope. It's irritating. Think many will still resent Cammy for some of his behaviour in the campaign. I would hope though that the rest of them are mature enough to accept it, and not do an SNP. I'll be having words if that occurs... Us sensible ones will be fine.
    If result is half-half ish, think Bojo, Fox, Gove etc will do well out of it, especially in leadership races - they'll be seen as more likely to do well at challenging and standing up to EU in future. Won't be good for in-backers re leadership.
    Next best thing us Tories will be looking for, if it's an in vote, is that strong leader in the EU.

    Labour.... not sure what effect it will have if any. Pretty sure any sceptics have already been put off by Corbyn's flipflopping on the EU, and that leadership looks even worse if we need someone to handle EU in future - if he even hypothetically (laughably) had a shot in 2020, it would still do him no favours.
 
 
 
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