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    enough of this goddamn appeasement to brussels and america! the british people have become weak! why are we self loathing haters! if we dont believe in ourselves, who else will? students need to ****ing wake up. by voting in you are in bed with big business over self detemrination whichever way you spin it!
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    (Original post by neal95)
    enough of this goddamn appeasement to brussels and america! the british people have become weak! why are we self loathing haters! if we dont believe in ourselves, who else will? students need to ****ing wake up. by voting in you are in bed with big business over self detemrination whichever way you spin it!
    You know, this is exactly the kind of reason why I keep arguing against people who want to leave.

    Do you actually think that by voting out you are somehow voting against big business? That somehow British politicians are different to all other politicians and don't follow big business?

    Most of the criticisms you lot throw at the EU, apply to Britain, too. The only difference is that instead of Brussels cheating the people over, doing stuff against their will, is that in the out scenario its Whitehall cheating people and doing stuff against their will.
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    The GM food thing is fine, we eat GM food all the time anyway (have you ever seen a non-GM watermelon, for example? They are much smaller than the ones we eat).

    The biggest concern for me is the fact that corporations will be able to sue the government legally if they introduce legislation that 'harms' their profits; there is already one tobacco company in the US that claims it will sue the UK government something of the tune to £700 million, which is just outrageous as the legislation is for public health. The fact that a company thinks it can push around an elected government in such a way appalls me, and they are no doubt not the only company who will do such a thing, what's even more irritating is that the US aren't prepared to compromise on this, as the OP states: 'refusing any reforms suggested by the EU', when in actual fact the EU is the bigger economy so it needs to start throwing its weight around and be more demanding of the Americans.

    But the idea that leaving the EU would somehow get Britain out of this is simply idiotic, David Cameron is one of the biggest supporters of this deal. We'd subscribe as soon as we are able to, and we'd be in a much poorer negotiating position than where we are now. Honestly, staying in the EU and forcing it to remove the corporate sueing clause is the only way we can salvage this deal. In theory I agree with it, reducing the barriers to trade is a good thing, but that clause is really concerning and I don't think I can support the treaty as long as that is a part of it. Sadly, I doubt we will get to vote on it, despite there being opposition across the entirety of the EU.
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    (Original post by JRKinder)
    The GM food thing is fine, we eat GM food all the time anyway (have you ever seen a non-GM watermelon, for example? They are much smaller than the ones we eat).

    The biggest concern for me is the fact that corporations will be able to sue the government legally if they introduce legislation that 'harms' their profits; there is already one tobacco company in the US that claims it will sue the UK government something of the tune to £700 million, which is just outrageous as the legislation is for public health. The fact that a company thinks it can push around an elected government in such a way appalls me, and they are no doubt not the only company who will do such a thing, what's even more irritating is that the US aren't prepared to compromise on this, as the OP states: 'refusing any reforms suggested by the EU', when in actual fact the EU is the bigger economy so it needs to start throwing its weight around and be more demanding of the Americans.

    But the idea that leaving the EU would somehow get Britain out of this is simply idiotic, David Cameron is one of the biggest supporters of this deal. We'd subscribe as soon as we are able to, and we'd be in a much poorer negotiating position than where we are now. Honestly, staying in the EU and forcing it to remove the corporate sueing clause is the only way we can salvage this deal. In theory I agree with it, reducing the barriers to trade is a good thing, but that clause is really concerning and I don't think I can support the treaty as long as that is a part of it. Sadly, I doubt we will get to vote on it, despite there being opposition across the entirety of the EU.
    If only everyone would put this much thought into something before opening their mouth (so to speak online).
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    (Original post by brainhuman)
    If only everyone would put this much thought into something before opening their mouth (so to speak online).
    Haha thanks, I've been following this deal for a little while now but as far as I'm aware there are no plans to remove this clause. I think there's also provisions to allow the NSA to gain data on European citizens, which is equally as frightening. This may not be the case now as it was a while ago that I read this, and I'm surprised it complies with the EU's strict privacy laws anyway, but I guess we'll have to wait for the final text to see if it's still a part of it.
 
 
 
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