UK must join EU political union or leave by 2025

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    Lol, you do realise this is what the IN camp want? They actively support this so don't try convincing them
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    (Original post by newpersonage)
    You may think that's the "deep end" but this whole campaign is characterised by supporters of "Remain" endlessly re-assuring people that full political union will never happen when they believe passionately in full union. Furthermore, with the survival of the Eurozone after the Greek Crisis it is obvious that most of the EU are fully supportive of full political union and it is indeed going to happen.

    So excuse me for being impatient with this endless dissimulation by "Remain".
    No, that is not what people have been saying. For myself, full political union will not happen to the UK without the consent of the British people. Your original post does not contradict that, but your alarmism is just bonkers. We have no guarantee that it will happen to the rest of the EU; there is little taste for it among European populations; the proposals are currently hypothetical and ill-formed; and a lot can happen in a decade.

    Neither of us have a crystal ball.
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    (Original post by gladders)
    No, that is not what people have been saying. For myself, full political union will not happen to the UK without the consent of the British people. Your original post does not contradict that, but your alarmism is just bonkers. We have no guarantee that it will happen to the rest of the EU; there is little taste for it among European populations; the proposals are currently hypothetical and ill-formed; and a lot can happen in a decade.

    Neither of us have a crystal ball.
    I disagree entirely, there is ample evidence that Stage 1 of Eurozone Union has been successful, the Eurozone countries must submit national budgets for authorisation, the banks are accountable to the ECB in a banking union and the Eurogroup meets before EU Council meetings to agree hoint policy. This has happened, it is not fantasy.

    Stage 1 is already a step too far for the UK and has placed economic management of the EU in the hands of the Eurozone. This deeply affects British interests with 43% of exports still going to the EU. Either we are IN the EU or OUT. The mid-way position means that the Eurozone can frame directives that affect our internal government and over which we have no input.

    Stage 2 is scheduled to start in 2017. Given that Stage 1 is almost completed on schedule and Stage 2 is being planned, your declaration that it may not happen seems desperate. It is also misleading.

    See the EU Commission document: On steps towards Completing Economic and Monetary Union.
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    I have responded to this in detail here: http://www.thestudentroom.co.uk/show...9#post64581539

    I do send apologies beforehand for some words that didn't space, I c&p directly from One Note and it seems I'm having trouble with the c&p actually matching XD which I would correct if I had more time - but felt it important to highlight my findings first - and pose the Q, if the UK can do something about it now? or in the future? - If not, consider it in your weighing of your decision, as this is only one issue
 
 
 
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