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    Upon revelations of Sadiq Khans 'uncle Tom' comments of 2009, I do not think he is a suitable candidate either.

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    (Original post by Davij038)
    Upon revelations of Sadiq Khans 'uncle Tom' comments of 2009, I do not think he is a suitable candidate either.

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    I think if we were all judged for every phrase we've spoken in the past seven years, all of us would be guilty of causing some offence or other. This culture of digging through every word ever said looking for an oppourtunity to take offence is getting really ridiculous.

    Just watched the video. It's completely out of context. He just used "Uncle Tom" as an example of someone who might already be in agreement when he's arguing you have to reach out to those who aren't, it's a furore over literally nothing.
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    (Original post by Saoirse:3)
    I think if we were all judged for every phrase we've spoken in the past seven years, all of us would be guilty of causing some offence or other. This culture of digging through every word ever said looking for an oppourtunity to take offence is getting really ridiculous.
    I don't believe in offence- I do believe that some politicians may mask their real views. This isnt a trivial thing, and this isn't just anyone but a respected and established politician. Whilst people can and do change their views, I am sceptical of their sincerity if they are caught out.

    Edit: could you link to said video?
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    (Original post by Southwestern)
    But to the issue of whether Londoners are satisfied with having a Muslim mayor - something which no true Londoner would even take into account when casting their vote.
    What do you mean? is having a Muslim mayor a bad thing?
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    (Original post by Davij038)
    Upon revelations of Sadiq Khans 'uncle Tom' comments of 2009, I do not think he is a suitable candidate either.

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    What are these comments?
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    (Original post by TheAlphaParticle)
    What do you mean? is having a Muslim mayor a bad thing?
    No - not in my mind, at least. London is a melting pot of families and individuals of every race, religion, language, culture and nationality, working together for the UK's tomorrow.

    I don't think that having a Muslim mayor is "a bad thing" any more than it is "a good thing". I simply think it is not what should be the deciding factor in an individual's vote. We should be voting for candidates based on their policies and platforms, what they are actually being elected to enact, and not on their ethnicity or religion.

    I don't think you should vote for a candidate's policies because the candidate is Muslim; I believe you should vote for a candidate's policies regardless of whether the candidate is Muslim or not.

    The great shame of the London mayoral election of 2016 is exactly this: the Tories and Labour have been working hand-in-hand to make this election based on religion and identity, not on policies.

    The Tories' principal message has been telling Londoners not to vote for Khan because he is a Muslim; Labour's principal message has been telling Londoners to vote for Khan exactly because he is a Muslim. Both campaigns are reading off the same page of the diseased pantomime, locking out the other parties in their media personality frenzy.

    It's really quite disgusting, not to mention actually belittling and hurtful for the millions of Londoners who are suffering daily from the housing crisis, unaffordable transport fares, toxic air pollution and crime on London's streets - and the millions of Londoners who want to hear policies about change, not campaigns whose only objective is to divide, inflame and scaremonger Londoners.
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    What's the deal with the WE party? Women have equal if not more rights under common and statutory law in the UK. I don't see what she can do as mayor of London to make women more "equal" without socialist re-distributive programmes.
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    (Original post by DrownedDeity)
    Very insightful.

    Unfortunately this is TSR and most people won't bother to read more than 50 words.
    ?? I read it all.... Don't jump to conclusions
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    (Original post by Lime-man)
    I think that the mayoral race has to be about more than just Zac and Sadiq.

    Whether it's feminism, drug law reform, immigration, housing, ecology or whatever issues that effect you, there are plenty of candidates deserving of your vote. Zac's campaign has been disgusting, so I can't be voting for him, and I simply don't agree with Sadiq enough to vote for him either. When it comes to the time I'll be voting for Lee Harris of CISTA and Sophie Walker of WE. I'd encourage many more of you to consider voting outside of the box just as I have.
    We had a discussion on this topic in my RE lesson
    My teacher said Zack created a campaign against Siddique stating that he supports terrorism when he said he's against terrorism. He also supports the idea that Gay people should have equal rights to heterosexual people. Now why would you campaign against that??
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    (Original post by Torto)
    What's the deal with the WE party? Women have equal if not more rights under common and statutory law in the UK. I don't see what she can do as mayor of London to make women more "equal" without socialist re-distributive programmes.
    Perhaps she's a socialist or believes in re-distribution? However, as I understand the mian point of her campaign is to raise awareness of and start a debate about how to tackle issues such as women being raped or sexually assaulted, or for whatever reason earning less money than men.
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    (Original post by Southwestern)
    No - not in my mind, at least. London is a melting pot of families and individuals of every race, religion, language, culture and nationality, working together for the UK's tomorrow.
    How naive...
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    (Original post by PoorBastward)
    How naive...
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    Take my word for it as a Londoner. I have friends, neighbours and classmates of every one of these things. London isn't half of what the media makes it out to be.
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    (Original post by Southwestern)
    Take my word for it as a Londoner. I have friends, neighbours and classmates of every one of these things. London isn't half of what the media makes it out to be.
    Hear hear.

    London has deep rooted cosmopolitan values which must be respected by any candidate.

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    (Original post by Tawheed)
    What are your thoughts on Sadiq constantly undermining Corbyn.
    To be honest, this is one of Khan's redeemable features
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    (Original post by Southwestern)
    London is a melting pot of families and individuals of every race, religion, language, culture and nationality, working together for the UK's tomorrow
    Working together, within their families, and to a limited extent, their segregated communities, for their own tomorrow*

    We live in a(n increasingly) divided, disunited, and distrustful society, and large cities like London, in particular, is full of (ethno-cultural/linguistic) aliens who scarcely relate to one another outside of narrow environments and the bounds of (socioeconomic) necessity. This is especially true of (devout i.e. actual) Muslims, unfortunately, having almost nothing in common with other groups in society (e.g. culture, customs, creed, race, language) and firmly adhering to an ideology that brands other citizens second class/sinners and presents a number of other impassable barriers to effective (genuine, progressive, and sustainable) integration

    I don't think that having a Muslim mayor is "a bad thing" any more than it is "a good thing
    Sadiq's not a bad guy, and quite a slick operator, but he is Muslim, and we are anything but a Muslim country/capital; he's also a Corbynite, and that lot are demonstrably incapable of governing effectively (although I admire, and to some extent support, some of their principled positions)

    We should be voting for candidates based on their policies and platforms, what they are actually being elected to enact, and not on their ethnicity or religion
    If you understand a bit about Islam(ism) vs. human nature (the way in which our backgrounds/firm beliefs mould us, as social/political actors), then you'd know that these things are intimately linked. See my contributions on related topics FYR. Islam is inextricably linked to norms, values, world view, loyalties, and allegiances. I will never recognise Muslim authority, just as people in the Muslim world will never recognise Western authority

    It's really quite disgusting, not to mention actually belittling and hurtful for the millions of Londoners who are suffering daily from the housing crisis, unaffordable transport fares, toxic air pollution and crime on London's streets - and the millions of Londoners who want to hear policies about change, not campaigns whose only objective is to divide, inflame and scaremonger Londoners
    I concur, the focus should have been more grown up and broadranging, and centred on the issues/policies at hand - but these must be viewed through the prism of ideology, be it socialistic, be it Islamist, be it Crony Capitalist, be it Jewish, etc, and background/affiliation, be it union membership, ethnic grouping, sexuality, etc, in order to arrive at the most accurate impression of each leadership prospect. Anything less is blinkered and surrenders robust intellectual enquiry at the alter of naive/fearful political correctness

    P.S. I fled London to escape the 'smog' (principally electrosmog), only to find it ubiquitous (particulate variety) across the UK this weekend! :sick:

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    Hear hear. London has deep rooted cosmopolitan values which must be respected by any candidate
    According to whom? You won't find very many original Londoners (who, presumably, inherently constitute the only group among whom values may be considered 'deep rooted') e.g. us white Brits: A) Left in London; B) Completely happy about the 'cosmopolitan' conditions (multicultural mess)
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    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sWclm4Bi4UM
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    A fellow Tory who prefers that WE lady?

    If I were able, I'd much prefer Whittle. Though frankly all the candidates are absolute rubbish.
    No proper conservatives there at all.
    Will be fun to see how the vote goes I suppose...
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    the wrath of sadiq* khan
    funny how the guy at the front looks like cameron
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    (Original post by Southwestern)
    Take my word for it as a Londoner. I have friends, neighbours and classmates of every one of these things. London isn't half of what the media makes it out to be.
    I left London in January, it is a third world dump unless you can get into nice area.
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    (Original post by KimKallstrom)
    To be honest, this is one of Khan's redeemable features
    Not according to the majority of labour members who voted Corbyn almost 60% in a four way contest.
 
 
 
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