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V966 - Human Transplantation (England) Bill 2016 Watch

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    (Original post by Gladiator12345)
    I think people should be given the choice not it being forced upon them. I would rather like to see the Government spend money to educate the nation this is a much better way.
    People are given the choice either way, this just changes the presumption from not saving lives to saving lives.
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    (Original post by TheDefiniteArticle)
    People are given the choice either way, this just changes the presumption from not saving lives to saving lives.
    People are given a choice either way, but with the status quo the choice being there is pretty obvious, something unlikely to be the case with opt out, look at affiliated unions and their political charge for instance, only 2 say that it is there and none make the opt out clear. Make it amyopt in system and all members will know it's there and how to opt in

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    (Original post by Jammy Duel)
    People are given a choice either way, but with the status quo the choice being there is pretty obvious, something unlikely to be the case with opt out, look at affiliated unions and their political charge for instance, only 2 say that it is there and none make the opt out clear. Make it amyopt in system and all members will know it's there and how to opt in

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    Your argument makes no sense.

    Ultimately, the question is whether people who are indifferent to the question (the only people whose outcomes would be affected by this Bill) should have their organs used to save lives, or be assumed to have some quasi-religious need for postmortal bodily integrity.
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    (Original post by TheDefiniteArticle)
    Your argument makes no sense.

    Ultimately, the question is whether people who are indifferent to the question (the only people whose outcomes would be affected by this Bill) should have their organs used to save lives, or be assumed to have some quasi-religious need for postmortal bodily integrity.
    It doesn't really not make sense, the case with affiliated unions is similar to that of an opt out organ donor system in that it is an opt out system and the people in control don't want people to opt out, and so keep it as quiet as possible, they don't tell people that the system is opt out, nor do they make it clear how to opt out, it is set up in such a way that you have to be pretty determined to opt out. On the other hand with opt in systems it is made clear that it is an opt in system and the option is available, and it's clear and easy to opt in. The bill changes things from an opt in system where everybody knows that it is an opt in system, how to opt in, and that it is pretty easy to opt in and will likely turn it into a system where the fact that it is opt out is kept quiet, and to opt out is a long and convoluted method to try to stop people doing so.
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    (Original post by Jammy Duel)
    It doesn't really not make sense, the case with affiliated unions is similar to that of an opt out organ donor system in that it is an opt out system and the people in control don't want people to opt out, and so keep it as quiet as possible, they don't tell people that the system is opt out, nor do they make it clear how to opt out, it is set up in such a way that you have to be pretty determined to opt out. On the other hand with opt in systems it is made clear that it is an opt in system and the option is available, and it's clear and easy to opt in. The bill changes things from an opt in system where everybody knows that it is an opt in system, how to opt in, and that it is pretty easy to opt in and will likely turn it into a system where the fact that it is opt out is kept quiet, and to opt out is a long and convoluted method to try to stop people doing so.
    it can potentially work either way for obvious reasons. The 'people in charge' have no incentive either way in this case - it's clearly unlike affiliated unions. The similarity, however, is that it is better for everyone, the more people who are in the scheme (inb4 you make some completely silly comparison to ponzi schemes or whatever).
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    (Original post by TheDefiniteArticle)
    it can potentially work either way for obvious reasons. The 'people in charge' have no incentive either way in this case - it's clearly unlike affiliated unions. The similarity, however, is that it is better for everyone, the more people who are in the scheme (inb4 you make some completely silly comparison to ponzi schemes or whatever).
    Again with subjective opinions being states as facts.
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    (Original post by Jammy Duel)
    Again with subjective opinions being states as facts.
    it's fine to state an opinion without adding 'in my opinion' when only a dribbling moron wouldn't realise

    If I say "Master of Reality is the greatest album of all time", adding 'in my opinion' is completely redundant. It's the same for most political opinions. Also, god knows what would happen if people started pulling you up on that.
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    (Original post by TheDefiniteArticle)
    it's fine to state an opinion without adding 'in my opinion' when only a dribbling moron wouldn't realise

    If I say "Master of Reality is the greatest album of all time", adding 'in my opinion' is completely redundant. It's the same for most political opinions. Also, god knows what would happen if people started pulling you up on that.
    Try it

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    (Original post by TheDefiniteArticle)
    People are given the choice either way, this just changes the presumption from not saving lives to saving lives.
    If you believe its in the best interest of the party? But with it being opt out people do not read the small print of forms so it will be forced on those people
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    (Original post by Gladiator12345)
    If you believe its in the best interest of the party? But with it being opt out people do not read the small print of forms so it will be forced on those people
    If you are against this Bill, you should vote against it. I merely hoped to convince you otherwise.
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    Mr. Speaker, could you change my vote from Aye to Nay?

    Thanks in advance.
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    (Original post by Lime-man)
    Mr. Speaker, could you change my vote from Aye to Nay?

    Thanks in advance.
    In the Tory subforum rn: :whip2: :whip2: :whip2: :whip2:
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    (Original post by cranbrook_aspie)
    In the Tory subforum rn: :whip2: :whip2: :whip2: :whip2:
    I can assure you that there has been no whipping. I agree with the principle of the bill but i disagree with how its being gone about.

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    The Liberals, a party of freedom, individuality, small government, and personal choice: it is nice to see Liberals voting for the government to have control of an individual's body after death. Liberalism is a nonsense concept, it is made up by individuals as time progresses to suit all situations, it is a concept that has no clear definition, no clear philosophy, no cohesion, and constantly changes to meet the warped, self-view of individuals who are desperate to label themselves as liberal in the belief being liberal is trendy.
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    Could I possibly, entirely of my own free will and uncoerced by my Party, change my vote to a Nay?



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    Tories engaging in a bit of BDSM over this.

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    (Original post by That Bearded Man)
    Tories engaging in a bit of BDSM over this.

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    Oh, I assure you it goes rather further than this. :sexface:

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    (Original post by That Bearded Man)
    Tories engaging in a bit of BDSM over this.

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    Some members ask if the government had alternative ideas on the matter, they got an answer.
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    (Original post by Jammy Duel)
    Some members ask if the government had alternative ideas on the matter, they got an answer.
    Ah yes, the Party very much restricting free will and choice, ironically enough, very much in support of what this bill advocates.

    Didnt you call us voting robots?
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    (Original post by Krollo)
    Oh, I assure you it goes rather further than this. :sexface:

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    Donating your body BEFORE you kick the bucket
 
 
 
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