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    (Original post by QE2)
    Ah, the stock response of the religionist that illustrated their essentially selfish worldview.

    How does FGM in Somalian girls affect men in Australia?
    How do political prisoners in North Korea affect women in Canada?
    How do the working conditions of migrant workers in Qatar affect the couple in Denmark?

    The answer is...they don't.
    Does that mean that we should just ignore their plight and get on with our lives?
    Or should we make some gesture of opposition, no matter how small, when we become aware of it?

    Why do religionists only "do good" if they think it is going to help them avoid punishment or gain reward?
    Lool. So complaining on an internet fourm is doing something well done my friend ! I see a nobel prize coming your way
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    (Original post by redleader1)
    Lool. So complaining on an internet fourm is doing something well done my friend ! I see a nobel prize coming your way
    It is doing something

    It is highlighting the stupidity of such opinions and making sure that those who would support such idiocy are not going to get their own way without a fight.

    It also lets lots of people know and discuss that such idiocy exists in some communities(as in the case here)

    There will also be some ridicule and mockery of the ideas that generate such stupidity as well which is always a good thing.
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    (Original post by BaconandSauce)
    It is doing something

    It is highlighting the stupidity of such opinions and making sure that those who would support such idiocy are not going to get there own way without a fight.

    It also lets lots of people know and discuss that such idiocy exists in some communities(as in the case here)

    There will also be some ridicule and mockery of the ideas that generate such stupidity as well which is always a good thing.
    Yeah but nothing serious is done, talking about it on here will not raise a voice in human rights court or parliment will it ?
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    (Original post by redleader1)
    Lool. So complaining on an internet fourm is doing something well done my friend ! I see a nobel prize coming your way
    (Original post by redleader1)
    Yeah but nothing serious is done, talking about it on here will not raise a voice in human rights court or parliment will it ?
    I'm pretty sure that if he tried to bring attention to it in the street or in a court he'd probably get accused of being "racist" by a small but vocal minority of idiots.
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    Triggered.
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    Many women aren't married and also can't afford to pay for a male prostitute to accompany them for every journey longer than 48 miles. Who is going to pay for all of this?
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    (Original post by redleader1)
    Yeah but nothing serious is done, talking about it on here will not raise a voice in human rights court or parliment will it ?
    Isn't raising awareness a start though or should it just be ignored.
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    (Original post by redleader1)
    But why dont you do something instead of complaining on an internet forum ?
    1) You don't know that I'm not (I do give money to charities to help women in these sorts of cultures)

    2) That's you shifting the goalposts a bit isn't it? You suggested that because it doesn't affect me I shouldn't care about it, which is the point I addressed. Whether I am in fact doing something about it takes nothing away from the point I made.
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    (Original post by redleader1)
    Yeah but nothing serious is done, talking about it on here will not raise a voice in human rights court or parliment will it ?
    I'm glad that you have never expressed a political opinion without immediately going and acting it (otherwise you would be being hypocritical). Actually no, I'm not glad, it's sad for someone to be that politically disengaged. I especially hope you didn't vote today -- there's virtually no chance you'd have changed anything.
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    So a group of muslims, advising other muslim what is and isnt permissible for practising muslims

    Why does it bother you ?
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    (Original post by jon2016)
    So a group of muslims, advising other muslim what is and isnt permissible for practising muslims

    Why does it bother you ?
    That point has already been addressed earlier on in the thread. If it were a case of people who were completely free to choose or to not choose to follow Islam being advised on what they ought to do, then this wouldn't be an issue.

    The fact of the matter is a little more unfortunate because there is immense pressure for people brought up in muslim families to follow and to continue to follow islam (in some cases people risk violence or death for apostasy). As a result I don't think it's particularly controversial to say that this then becomes somewhat problematic if you have families in which women are, in essence, forcibly having their freedom taken from them just because they're women, then you have a problem that we have a civic duty to start trying to address.
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    (Original post by limetang)
    That point has already been addressed earlier on in the thread. If it were a case of people who were completely free to choose or to not choose to follow Islam being advised on what they ought to do, then this wouldn't be an issue.

    The fact of the matter is a little more unfortunate because there is immense pressure for people brought up in muslim families to follow and to continue to follow islam (in some cases people risk violence or death for apostasy). As a result I don't think it's particularly controversial to say that this then becomes somewhat problematic if you have families in which women are, in essence, forcibly having their freedom taken from them just because they're women, then you have a problem that we have a civic duty to start trying to address.
    You think muslims in the UK are at risk of death if they stop following Islam ?

    Do you know how many muslim guys and girls I come across in nightclubs and none of them have been murdered. Also 'pressure' is irrelevant, if your family threaten to stop talking to you for not being muslim, that is their choice and you must accept that your parents love is not unconditional

    Women's freedom is taken away because under Islam a married women cannot travel for more than 3 days with out her husband permission ? No one forced her to marry a muslim

    Secondly, muslim men also have similar responsibilities towards their wives.
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    (Original post by jon2016)
    You think muslims in the UK are at risk of death if they stop following Islam ?

    Do you know how many muslim guys and girls I come across in nightclubs and none of them have been murdered. Also 'pressure' is irrelevant, if your family threaten to stop talking to you for not being muslim, that is their choice and you must accept that your parents love is not unconditional

    Women's freedom is taken away because under Islam a married women cannot travel for more than 3 days with out her husband permission ? No one forced her to marry a muslim

    Secondly, muslim men also have similar responsibilities towards their wives.
    Most won't be, but if you read what I wrote it was implied that this was an extreme example of something that could go badly.
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    (Original post by limetang)
    Most won't be, but if you read what I wrote it was implied that this was an extreme example of something that could go badly.
    as I explained to you, its a very remote possibility and not something that justifies the response by the media we have seen by a few muslims in blackburn
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    (Original post by jon2016)
    You think muslims in the UK are at risk of death if they stop following Islam ?
    Some are yes.
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    (Original post by ODES_PDES)
    What is a Mahram, i.e. a man that can never marry a woman?
    It is a man who cannot marry a certain woman, it could be a brother or other close relative. Of course it could also be an abusive relative who has incestuous leanings.
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    (Original post by BaconandSauce)
    Some are yes.
    some people are at risk of murder if they ignore a friend request on facebook, so what?
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    (Original post by jon2016)
    some people are at risk of murder if they ignore a friend request on facebook, so what?
    Your empathy for your fellow humans does you proud.
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    (Original post by jon2016)
    some people are at risk of murder if they ignore a friend request on facebook, so what?
    Imbecilic! Trying to justify something that is wrong with something else that is wrong is as moronic as I can think of.
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    From my own damn hometown aswell :/
 
 
 
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