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    My dad is the typical unionist, working class, miner's lad, sort of labour voter. So pretty ridiculously far-left, although he doesn't like corbyn because corbyn is too pathetic for him - he's authoritarian in his social policy, a proper old labour man for sure.

    My mum is less extreme. She's more socially liberal but definitely a lot more left wing than I concerned economic policy and oddly not quite as liberal as me concerning social policy. She basically votes lib dems in the local elections for social policy, labour in the generals for economic policy.

    I'd say then I have rather leftist parents but I myself am quite right-wing. I am actually the exact opposite of my dad. Favouring right-wing economic policy and very libertarian social policy.
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    (Original post by YamatoTree)
    My father was a coal miner in Spain who came here and studied an engineering degree at a top uni in London, he left my mother for a variety of reasons but i fully understand his decision even if he hasn't been the most helpful since then, and i myself have only ever attended state schools and most of my teenage years i was taking care of my mother while studying, so not all tories are rich. Some are just people who may not have wealth now but want to make something of themselves without demanding the unearned.
    The opposite of Tory is not 'demanding the unearned'... If it hasn't past you by a lot of the left are from wealthy backgrounds too.

    It'd be stupid to argue that a baby born to poor parents is demanding the unearned if they grow up surviving on income support. Gosh benefit babies... I'm in the right mind to make them go out and earn that cow and gate milk :rolleyes:
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    (Original post by Little Popcorns)
    The opposite of Tory is not 'demanding the unearned'... If it hasn't past you by a lot of the left are from wealthy backgrounds too.

    It'd be stupid to argue that a baby born to poor parents is demanding the unearned if they grow up surviving on income support. Gosh benefit babies... I'm in the right mind to make them go out and earn that cow and gate milk :rolleyes:
    Demanding the unearned is essentially the heart of marxism - you do understand that taxation is theft under threat of violence from the government right? Nobody has the right to steal from someone else, that is, nobody has the right to violate another person's property rights. The fact that a lot of the left are from wealthy backgrounds is irrelevant.

    To be a leftist is to say that you can mug somebody because you decide you deserve what they have more than they do, despite the fact that they likely produced it and you didn't.
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    (Original post by YamatoTree)
    Demanding the unearned is essentially the heart of marxism - you do understand that taxation is theft under threat of violence from the government right? Nobody has the right to steal from someone else, that is, nobody has the right to violate another person's property rights. The fact that a lot of the left are from wealthy backgrounds is irrelevant.

    To be a leftist is to say that you can mug somebody because you decide you deserve what they have more than they do, despite the fact that they likely produced it and you didn't.
    and do you not understand that the state enforces property rights and property is theft? If you want to get rid of the state that is anarchism. Anarchism is left wing to the extreme. How can you not understand this?

    Discussion around this area is obviously totally subjective and philosophical that anyone who claims their position with the certainty akin to a physicist and his laws of gravity is not to be trusted. Leftists can play your silly game of stating the "truth" as well.



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    My father is quite socialist but doesn't really know it. I grew up with him forever moaning about the way his company worked which is typical of giant corporations. He was in a union and encouraged other to joins it and voted to go on strike when things got worse.

    My mum is sort of a right wing libertarian but gets rather confused when it comes to borders and immigrants where she becomes rather authoritarian as well as being pro NHS because it is ****ing obviouse to lower middle class people (that may as well be working class) that the NHS is better for us than the alternatives. This spills over to my dad who has been convinced by mum that immigrants and the EU are the problem for everything. Sop lets all vote for Thatcherite parties that hate the EU and immigrants even though that flys in the face of pretty much everything else. They would probably vote for a fascist if it meant getting rid of the immigrants...

    With contrast to me could be described as a libertarian leftist who votes for a moderate Labour party to be at the head of the state in despair from a utilitarian perspective of trying to make the world a bit less ****.
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    My Dad used to vote Labour. Now he probably votes for anyone other than the Tories. My Mum's side of the family are more sympathetic to the Tories. They liked Blair back in the early days.
    I'm not a die hard Conservative but I certainly can't see myself voting for Labour under the current regime.
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    Parents are Old Labour types who have voted Green-Lib-BNP-Ukip. Since my political awakening at 16 i have always known that i am a capitalist and bar 2014 when i voted Lib in the Euro's, i have voted Tory in every election in the past 9 years.

    Having required the need for a food bank due to changes to PIP for a while i tend to tone down my support for the Tories bur they are not too bothered since they are much less politically engaged than myself.
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    (Original post by YamatoTree)
    Demanding the unearned is essentially the heart of marxism - you do understand that taxation is theft under threat of violence from the government right? Nobody has the right to steal from someone else, that is, nobody has the right to violate another person's property rights. The fact that a lot of the left are from wealthy backgrounds is irrelevant.

    To be a leftist is to say that you can mug somebody because you decide you deserve what they have more than they do, despite the fact that they likely produced it and you didn't.
    :facepalm: oh dear...

    If people didn't pay taxes society would fall to **** noone would collect your bins every week, you wouldn't have public libraries, you wouldn't have schools, without schools everyone would be uneducated leading to further social problems etc the list goes on...

    Taxes aren't simply... 'pay your taxes so we can give it out in benefits' absolute facepalm to you :facepalm:
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    (Original post by Rakas21)
    Parents are Old Labour types who have voted Green-Lib-BNP-Ukip. Since my political awakening at 16 i have always known that i am a capitalist and bar 2014 when i voted Lib in the Euro's, i have voted Tory in every election in the past 9 years.

    Having required the need for a food bank due to changes to PIP for a while i tend to tone down my support for the Tories bur they are not too bothered since they are much less politically engaged than myself.
    can't tone down your support inbetween two elections buddy... they ain't going anywhere fast - try four years, no thanks there. Don't you see that the left cared about people like you even before the reality other people have to live every day happened to hit you too?

    It's a crying shame that it's a case of 'until it happens to you' for some people.

    Can we not just have some empathy, no?
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    (Original post by BubbleBoobies)
    I have a labour sister - she's the outcast of the family - she has to sleep and eat outside with the dog
    we won't be having that left wing trash at our dinner table (referring to her, not her views)
    I hope you're joking.
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    My Dad is an ardent Corbyn type of Lefty who left the Labour Party due to the Iraq war and is now an SNP member. My Mum's what you'd call a traditional Labour voter.

    I favour a Centre-Left approach to most things but have a Right-Wing stance towards people who are taking the piss.
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    (Original post by JPO92)
    I hope you're joking.
    how could I possibly be serious?
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    (Original post by BubbleBoobies)
    how could I possibly be serious?
    Have you read some of the bigoted things that are said on a daily basis on these forums?

    I would not be capable of discerning a comment like that from half the posts on TSR.
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    (Original post by JPO92)
    Have you read some of the bigoted things that are said on a daily basis on these forums?

    I would not be capable of discerning a comment like that from half the posts on TSR.
    yeah, but there's "bigoted" and then there's that...
    I mean, most of the people on this forum who express violent opinions towards others are *usually* the ones that are against right wingers - or at least they excuse the violence that occurs to them, or call it "their own medicine"
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    Im a centre right libertarian who voted tory in sunderland a city where ian huntley could be elected if he was the labour nominee.

    My mother supports corbyn my dad doesnt vote.
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    (Original post by BubbleBoobies)
    yeah, but there's "bigoted" and then there's that...
    I mean, most of the people on this forum who express violent opinions towards others are *usually* the ones that are against right wingers - or at least they excuse the violence that occurs to them, or call it "their own medicine"
    I think it's swings and roundabouts on that one. Extreme right and left are equally as bad.
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    (Original post by Little Popcorns)
    can't tone down your support inbetween two elections buddy... they ain't going anywhere fast - try four years, no thanks there. Don't you see that the left cared about people like you even before the reality other people have to live every day happened to hit you too?

    It's a crying shame that it's a case of 'until it happens to you' for some people.

    Can we not just have some empathy, no?
    As heartless as it sounds, I'm able to disagree with them on welfare and still comfortably support them. It just isn't enough of a priority for me.

    Miliband was an option and I respected him. Corbyn is an extremist and I'll never vote for him.
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    Interesting so far. As for me:

    Dad: when I'm talking to him; pretty much the same views as Owen Jones. In social situations he's a kind of caricature of a Corbyn fanatic- essentially a far left wing populist

    Mum. Brought up by my Thatcherite grand parents, she was Tory but then switched to Blair in 97 and then to Clegg in 2010 and is essentially a liberal democrat.

    Step dad- despite being a Vietnamese Immigrant and an atheist, he remarkably has pretty much the exact views as Peter Hitchens. Votes Tory but is closer to ukip.



    As for me, militant atheist social liberal sums it up well enough.
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    (Original post by Rakas21)
    As heartless as it sounds, I'm able to disagree with them on welfare and still comfortably support them. It just isn't enough of a priority for me.

    Miliband was an option and I respected him. Corbyn is an extremist and I'll never vote for him.
    Seems more like stupidity when you are a food bank recipient... You are being heartless against yourself.

    Oh well I'm sure you deserve it what with natural economic justice and all :rolleyes:

    It's like self loathing of your own standing in society which seems kind of sad.
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    (Original post by DanteTheDoorKnob)
    My mum is probably far left (she votes Labour/Green as second option) and my dad is probably a bit far right (I think he voted UKIP, if he did, he's right wing but not a Tory)

    I consider myself moderate left, or non pacifist left.
    how is UKIP "far right"? they're not as right wing as the tories
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    My younger brother is an active Labour & Corbyn supporter whilst i've always been a very strong supporter of the Conservatives (i'm an official member and have voted Tory in every election since I turned 18).

    I only see him at Christmas as I don't live anywhere near my family, but when I do things certainly get interesting to say the least as we disagree on everything :lol:
 
 
 
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