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    (Original post by DiddyDec)
    Because it should be covered by the NHS due to the impact on quality of life.
    You think that the inability to conceive a child cannot impact on a persons quality of life?

    Also, a broken leg will hardly impact on quality of life, the main reason being that it heals. Being infertile can last a lifetime, the pain will never heal and cannot be cured with some painkillers.
    A cast is not even essential, neither are crutches. The leg can heal perfectly fine without them.
    I said that lack of fertility is not going to kill you or have a significant impact on quality of life.Posted from TSR Mobile
    Lack of fertility can have a significant impact on the quality of life. Just ask an infertile woman who's been trying for the past 15years
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    You can't provide IVF for some and not others. I've never agreed with it, tbh.
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    (Original post by cherryred90s)
    You think that the inability to conceive a child cannot impact on a persons quality of life?

    Also, a broken leg will hardly impact on quality of life, the main reason being that it heals. Being infertile can last a lifetime, the pain will never heal and cannot be cured with some painkillers.
    A cast is not even essential, neither are crutches. The leg can heal perfectly fine without them.


    Lack of fertility can have a significant impact on the quality of life. Just ask an infertile woman who's been trying for the past 15years
    Are you a doctor?

    No point trying if you are infertile.

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    (Original post by DiddyDec)
    Are you a doctor?

    No point trying if you are infertile.

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    Do I have to be a doctor? :rolleyes:

    Well, I meant that some women have been trying for a long time and still haven't been able to conceive. That can for sure leave lasting effects on them.
    Do you want children one day?
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    (Original post by cherryred90s)
    Do I have to be a doctor? :rolleyes:

    Well, I meant that some women have been trying for a long time and still haven't been able to conceive. That can for sure leave lasting effects on them.
    Do you want children one day?
    Well you are making some bold claims about broken legs as if you know what you are talking about.

    I hate children and people even more than them.

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    (Original post by hovado)
    Course it is, what is oligozoospermia if not an organ not working as it should?
    What organ is failing under this condition.

    And note, not working as it should is not the same as failing.
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    (Original post by cherryred90s)
    You think that the inability to conceive a child cannot impact on a persons quality of life?

    Also, a broken leg will hardly impact on quality of life, the main reason being that it heals. Being infertile can last a lifetime, the pain will never heal and cannot be cured with some painkillers.
    A cast is not even essential, neither are crutches. The leg can heal perfectly fine without them.


    Lack of fertility can have a significant impact on the quality of life. Just ask an infertile woman who's been trying for the past 15years
    What bs are you talking about? In many cases the bone will at the very least have to be set properly.

    And there is always adoption.
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    (Original post by cherryred90s)
    It's one thing being told you will never naturally conceive, but it's another thing telling someone to pay 5k just for the mere possibility.
    Should every ugly person get free plastic surgery then? Would impact their quality of life, too.
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    (Original post by cherryred90s)
    Lack of fertility can have a significant impact on the quality of life. Just ask an infertile woman who's been trying for the past 15years
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    (Original post by brainhuman)
    What bs are you talking about? In many cases the bone will at the very least have to be set properly.

    And there is always adoption.
    I acknowledged that surgery is sometimes necessary. A cast and crutches are still provided for on the NHS, why shouldn't people have to pay for those?

    For many women, adoption doesn't compare to actually carrying a child of your own and rightfully so.
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    (Original post by brainhuman)
    Should every ugly person get free plastic surgery then? Would impact their quality of life, too.
    how can you measure ugliness? It's subjective, whereas fertility is objective and can be measured. If we're talking about some kind of facial deformity then yes, surgery should be provided for on the NHS (if it isn't already)
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    (Original post by DiddyDec)
    Well you are making some bold claims about broken legs as if you know what you are talking about.

    I hate children and people even more than them.

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    Ah right, that's why you're so insensitive about this topic.

    I do know what I'm talking about. I've broken a bone before..
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    (Original post by hovado)
    Or man.
    Yes
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    (Original post by cherryred90s)
    I acknowledged that surgery is sometimes necessary. A cast and crutches are still provided for on the NHS, why shouldn't people have to pay for those?

    For many women, adoption doesn't compare to actually carrying a child of your own and rightfully so.
    Because you can walk so well without crutches and a broken leg? Right.

    And ok then, how about I want to look like a fish. And it makes me really sad that I can't. Should the NHS pay for me to look like a fish so I feel better?
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    (Original post by cherryred90s)
    Ah right, that's why you're so insensitive about this topic.

    I do know what I'm talking about. I've broken a bone before..
    So because you broke a bone you are an expert?

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    (Original post by cherryred90s)
    how can you measure ugliness? It's subjective, whereas fertility is objective and can be measured. If we're talking about some kind of facial deformity then yes, surgery should be provided for on the NHS (if it isn't already)
    Exactly, it is subjective. So if I feel ugly, it's affecting my quality of life, hence according to your logic I should get free surgery.

    That's what you don't understand about your own argument. Yours is a mental problem. There is no physical harm to you. It is all mental - "oh I feel so sad I can't get pregnant". So if you argue for treatment in this case, logically you should argue for treatment of every single mental problem someone may have.
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    (Original post by brainhuman)
    Because you can walk so well without crutches and a broken leg? Right.
    Nobody said you can't have crutches, just pay for them yourself.
    And ok then, how about I want to look like a fish. And it makes me really sad that I can't. Should the NHS pay for me to look like a fish so I feel better?
    You're comparing infertility to looking like a fish? Seriously?
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    (Original post by cherryred90s)
    Nobody said you can't have crutches, just pay for them yourself.


    You're comparing infertility to looking like a fish? Seriously?
    Yes. Read my other post. You don't seem to understand your own argument.

    You seem to be under the impression that this particular problem is the biggest problem ever.

    I am just pointing out that using your own logic, everyone has the right to have their own problem addressed for, for free, by the NHS.
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    (Original post by DiddyDec)
    So because you broke a bone you are an expert?

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    Did I say I was an expert?

    Taken from the NHS website:
    ' If the broken bone is still in position, you'll usually just need a plaster cast. This holds the bone in place so it can heal. If there's a lot of swelling, you may just have a splint or cast around the back half of your leg until the swelling goes down. A full cast can be fitted a few days later.'

    This is all I've said. You'll probably just need a cast and some crutches. Sometimes surgery is necessary if the leg is out of place
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    In my opinion, IVF should be a very speficic and special form of NHS care. As such, cases should be reviewed individually and depending on circumstances, it could be offered. For children for gay couples and so on, I'm not sure I think it's something the country's tax payers should fund. I can understand compassionate grounds to give IVF to infertile couples but I think you should probably have to pay for it yourself. However, I don't care very much either way.
 
 
 
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